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U.S. proposes cellphone ban for truck drivers

My understanding, (and I haven't seen the law, but a couple of truckers have told me this), is that there is a Federal ban on truckers carrying a gun in the cab or on their person, regardless of whether they have a carry permit or not, and regardless of state law. What I heard was, this was done during the big trucker/teamster strikes of the 70s (?), when there was a certain level of violence going on between strikers and others... and like most Fed laws it has outlived its usefulness but remained in place (if it ever really had any usefulness).

That's a fact. It's in the Federal DOT Handbook.

I got smoked a few years back with this rule. Cost me about five grand, over three years, to get it taken care of.

Good thing I went ahead and spent the money, since now, we have to get FBI back ground checks to hold a hazmat endorsement and get a TWIC.

Domestic truck drivers have to go through more **** than an illegal alien, or an international terrorist.
 
You won't read mine, but I did read yours, and here is something from your own provided link



So changing the radio station was responsible for nearly 30% of crashes, while cell phones were responsible for 1.5%

Yeah, should we remove radios from cars as well?

Keep reading it. They have newer studies in that link also.

And from the other:



Wow, a whole 40 people? Really, and from that, and 10 hours they conclude this trash? Give me a break!

Yeah, figured you'd say that. Doesn't change the fact that all of those 40 people were affected.
 
Keep reading it. They have newer studies in that link also.


Nah, At a whopping 1.5% I'll take my chances, and just turn it off in the facist states like NY which I never go to anymore, and talk in the reasonable states.

I have to say though, what a crock that those who have never driven a truck, seem to think they know so much about it. I'd like to see a study on just cell use using hands free. I notice that all the studies seem to lump in hands free, but never show why, or how they reached those conclusions.

Yeah, figured you'd say that. Doesn't change the fact that all of those 40 people were affected.

Well, I have a sample size of 660 truckers that say they are not affected.....So do I win?

j-mac
 
I am so sick of this type of smear coming out of mental midgets like LaHood, and others that seek to blame the ills of driving and accident rates on Truckers. It is intellectually lazy.

We deliver the things you use every damned day, and what thanks do we get for it? Flipped off, honked at, called in on threatening our lively hood, and ever increasing regulation and taxation that will result in Americans paying much higher costs at the check out line.

Car drivers have over the years, my own some 20 years driving, become rude, rule of the road breakers, and completely selfish in their driving, not caring a bit whom they place in danger. And who constantly gets the blame for it? We do, Truckers!

Heck even stories on the news that show truck vs car accidents on the highways often don't tell the watchers until the very end of the story that the car was at fault.

Lawyers cashing in, suing even if their client was the cause of the accident like bottom feeders they are.

Now, I am not saying that there are some truckers out there that are inexperienced, and do cause some problems, however, you keep it up, (talking to the ungrateful masses here) and just wait. When myself, and my cohorts that do have the experience decide to pack it in, then you'll be left with nothing but greenhorns. Good luck with that.


j-mac

Part of the problem here is that you are taking this way too personal.

The law was not written for you personally but for the masses.

Am certain you could partipate in a truck rodeo with only one hand................... but there are a lot of klutzes driving out there. You can see them. The one who drives 4 more blocks looking for a parking space as paralell parking frightens them. There are people who are just terrible behind the wheel. Those people should not be on the phone too.
 
Nah, At a whopping 1.5% I'll take my chances, and just turn it off in the facist states like NY which I never go to anymore, and talk in the reasonable states.

So you'll go by a study that is old and disregard a new study...gotcha.

I have to say though, what a crock that those who have never driven a truck, seem to think they know so much about it.

One doesn't have to drive a truck to know that a 60,000lb rig won't stop on a dime or turns like a beached whale.

I'd like to see a study on just cell use using hands free. I notice that all the studies seem to lump in hands free, but never show why, or how they reached those conclusions.

If you had actually read those studies then you would know that they also test people using hands-free devices...not just hand held. As such they can easily evaluate the two together to see if there is a difference between the two. I'm sure that if there had been a difference you would have jumped at that and used it. Since there isn't...well.....

Well, I have a sample size of 660 truckers that say they are not affected.....So do I win?

Only if you put em in a study group that shows they are not affected. If they say it themselves then nope. I'm sure that the people who have crashed because they were on a cell phone once said that they were not affected also.
 
I am so sick of this type of smear coming out of mental midgets like LaHood, and others that seek to blame the ills of driving and accident rates on Truckers. It is intellectually lazy.

We deliver the things you use every damned day, and what thanks do we get for it? Flipped off, honked at, called in on threatening our lively hood, and ever increasing regulation and taxation that will result in Americans paying much higher costs at the check out line.

Car drivers have over the years, my own some 20 years driving, become rude, rule of the road breakers, and completely selfish in their driving, not caring a bit whom they place in danger. And who constantly gets the blame for it? We do, Truckers!

Heck even stories on the news that show truck vs car accidents on the highways often don't tell the watchers until the very end of the story that the car was at fault.

Lawyers cashing in, suing even if their client was the cause of the accident like bottom feeders they are.

Now, I am not saying that there are some truckers out there that are inexperienced, and do cause some problems, however, you keep it up, (talking to the ungrateful masses here) and just wait. When myself, and my cohorts that do have the experience decide to pack it in, then you'll be left with nothing but greenhorns. Good luck with that.


j-mac

The sooner Republicans take over Congress, the better. Not sure if anyone posted it, but here.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/Mobile_phone_NPRM_12-7-10.pdf
 
Do you see it as targeting? Every vehicle is taking the heat right now.

Doesn't seem logical to me to ban cellphone use by truckers. IMO, they are some of the safest drivers on the road, by the way. I could see mandating hands-free only....but I can see that for passenger cars as well. Truck drivers need some distraction to stay alert when driving, IMO. Cellphone calls can accomplish that quite nicely.

How about a tax break for installing voice communication and navigation systems in truck fleets for carriers, instead of punishing individuals?
 
The sooner Republicans take over Congress, the better. Not sure if anyone posted it, but here.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/Mobile_phone_NPRM_12-7-10.pdf


Thanks for the link, I have seen that, and the article I posted says that LaHood wants to go further by going after bluetooth devices as well.

The CSA2010 that they are having trouble implementing, if completed is going to do great harm to the nations carriers in the matter of seasoned veteran drivers that will be gone.


j-mac
 
I am so sick of this type of smear coming out of mental midgets like LaHood, and others that seek to blame the ills of driving and accident rates on Truckers. It is intellectually lazy.

We deliver the things you use every damned day, and what thanks do we get for it? Flipped off, honked at, called in on threatening our lively hood, and ever increasing regulation and taxation that will result in Americans paying much higher costs at the check out line.

Car drivers have over the years, my own some 20 years driving, become rude, rule of the road breakers, and completely selfish in their driving, not caring a bit whom they place in danger. And who constantly gets the blame for it? We do, Truckers!

Heck even stories on the news that show truck vs car accidents on the highways often don't tell the watchers until the very end of the story that the car was at fault.

Lawyers cashing in, suing even if their client was the cause of the accident like bottom feeders they are.

Now, I am not saying that there are some truckers out there that are inexperienced, and do cause some problems, however, you keep it up, (talking to the ungrateful masses here) and just wait. When myself, and my cohorts that do have the experience decide to pack it in, then you'll be left with nothing but greenhorns. Good luck with that.


j-mac

But, driver, there are hands out there that don't have any business driving trucks, much less driving trucks with a cellular stuck in their ear. 42?
 
But, driver, there are hands out there that don't have any business driving trucks, much less driving trucks with a cellular stuck in their ear. 42?


Oh believe you me, I know this full well. there are also many more auto's out there that don't know the laws of the road anymore either. So I guess my question thrown out there is why single out truckers? When the studies cited show that we are responsible for a fraction of accidents involving cell phones as the stated cause. And cells are a fraction of accidents caused by distraction beyond that.

See, if talking through a blue tooth is distracting enough to cause an accident, and the government must protect us from that, then conversations with passengers have to be stopped as well, so too transporting children, and listening to radio or music, and so on.

No, truckers are the easy target, and I get sick of that, considering I believe that auto drivers should be held to the same standards as truckers, and we'd decrease the congestion of highways by half I'd bet. Besides we as truckers pay the most as a percentage for those roads, and the interstate system was specifically built for us, and the military. We allow cars to use them.


j-mac
 
Oh believe you me, I know this full well. there are also many more auto's out there that don't know the laws of the road anymore either. So I guess my question thrown out there is why single out truckers? When the studies cited show that we are responsible for a fraction of accidents involving cell phones as the stated cause. And cells are a fraction of accidents caused by distraction beyond that.

See, if talking through a blue tooth is distracting enough to cause an accident, and the government must protect us from that, then conversations with passengers have to be stopped as well, so too transporting children, and listening to radio or music, and so on.

No, truckers are the easy target, and I get sick of that, considering I believe that auto drivers should be held to the same standards as truckers, and we'd decrease the congestion of highways by half I'd bet. Besides we as truckers pay the most as a percentage for those roads, and the interstate system was specifically built for us, and the military. We allow cars to use them.


j-mac

More than likely the reason that truckers are often used as an example is because a 60k lb rig will do far more damage than a 10k lb car. Everyone knows this so its a more visible subject than a little ole toyota.
 
Thanks for the link, I have seen that, and the article I posted says that LaHood wants to go further by going after bluetooth devices as well.

The CSA2010 that they are having trouble implementing, if completed is going to do great harm to the nations carriers in the matter of seasoned veteran drivers that will be gone.


j-mac

Wonderful, let's discourage hands-free driving. :roll:
 
Wonderful, let's discourage hands-free driving. :roll:

calling - you mean :)

I know the laws (cellphone use while driving in Arkansas is already banned) - but I talk while I drive, anyway - I find it no more distracting than talking to someone in the seat next to me.
 
I am so sick of this type of smear coming out of mental midgets like LaHood, and others that seek to blame the ills of driving and accident rates on Truckers. It is intellectually lazy.

We deliver the things you use every damned day, and what thanks do we get for it? Flipped off, honked at, called in on threatening our lively hood, and ever increasing regulation and taxation that will result in Americans paying much higher costs at the check out line.

Car drivers have over the years, my own some 20 years driving, become rude, rule of the road breakers, and completely selfish in their driving, not caring a bit whom they place in danger. And who constantly gets the blame for it? We do, Truckers!

Heck even stories on the news that show truck vs car accidents on the highways often don't tell the watchers until the very end of the story that the car was at fault.

Lawyers cashing in, suing even if their client was the cause of the accident like bottom feeders they are.

Now, I am not saying that there are some truckers out there that are inexperienced, and do cause some problems, however, you keep it up, (talking to the ungrateful masses here) and just wait. When myself, and my cohorts that do have the experience decide to pack it in, then you'll be left with nothing but greenhorns. Good luck with that.


j-mac

I hope you didn't write up this post while driving your truck! :2razz:
 
calling - you mean :)

I know the laws (cellphone use while driving in Arkansas is already banned) - but I talk while I drive, anyway - I find it no more distracting than talking to someone in the seat next to me.

I can talk and drive on certain roads.. I text while a drive too.. but it's illegal here. OMG! I'mma law breaker. :2wave: :cool:
 
I am so sick of this type of smear coming out of mental midgets like LaHood, and others that seek to blame the ills of driving and accident rates on Truckers. It is intellectually lazy.

We deliver the things you use every damned day, and what thanks do we get for it? Flipped off, honked at, called in on threatening our lively hood, and ever increasing regulation and taxation that will result in Americans paying much higher costs at the check out line.

Car drivers have over the years, my own some 20 years driving, become rude, rule of the road breakers, and completely selfish in their driving, not caring a bit whom they place in danger. And who constantly gets the blame for it? We do, Truckers!

Heck even stories on the news that show truck vs car accidents on the highways often don't tell the watchers until the very end of the story that the car was at fault.

Lawyers cashing in, suing even if their client was the cause of the accident like bottom feeders they are.

Now, I am not saying that there are some truckers out there that are inexperienced, and do cause some problems, however, you keep it up, (talking to the ungrateful masses here) and just wait. When myself, and my cohorts that do have the experience decide to pack it in, then you'll be left with nothing but greenhorns. Good luck with that.


j-mac

I wholeheartedly agree with you about the increasing rudeness of drivers on the road. I find myself having to take a few deep breaths too many times while I'm driving, after some bozo has cut me off, tailgated me, or nearly caused an accident.

However, I also believe that cell phones have no place in the hands of someone at the wheel, whether it be someone driving a car or a truck. That applies not only to you as a truck driver but to me when I'm driving my own car or SUV.

And whatever you do, I suggest that you not use your cell phone when driving through Maryland. The state recently banned cell phone use by drivers (while driving).
 
More than likely the reason that truckers are often used as an example is because a 60k lb rig will do far more damage than a 10k lb car. Everyone knows this so its a more visible subject than a little ole toyota.


Just a slight correction for you, My truck has a GVW of 80,000 lbs tractor, and trailer loaded, not 60K although I am not always loaded fully.


j-mac
 
I wholeheartedly agree with you about the increasing rudeness of drivers on the road. I find myself having to take a few deep breaths too many times while I'm driving, after some bozo has cut me off, tailgated me, or nearly caused an accident.

However, I also believe that cell phones have no place in the hands of someone at the wheel, whether it be someone driving a car or a truck. That applies not only to you as a truck driver but to me when I'm driving my own car or SUV.

And whatever you do, I suggest that you not use your cell phone when driving through Maryland. The state recently banned cell phone use by drivers (while driving).


I lived in Maryland for 20 years, in Bel Air. Still have family there. :) I can assure you that MSP is not enforcing this law too closely, fore I talk to buddies still there every day.


j-mac
 
I lived in Maryland for 20 years, in Bel Air. Still have family there. :) I can assure you that MSP is not enforcing this law too closely, fore I talk to buddies still there every day.


j-mac

Ah yes, I know Bel Air. I'll be driving through there next Monday when I got up to PA to visit family. (I avoid I-95 if at all possible.)
 
I can talk and drive on certain roads.. I text while a drive too.. but it's illegal here. OMG! I'mma law breaker. :2wave: :cool:

I certainly don't feel like I can devote as much attention to driving if I try to fiddle with a cell phone to make or take a call. Fuhgeddabout texting. I really do believe that texting while driving is extremely dangerous.
 
Oh believe you me, I know this full well. there are also many more auto's out there that don't know the laws of the road anymore either. So I guess my question thrown out there is why single out truckers? When the studies cited show that we are responsible for a fraction of accidents involving cell phones as the stated cause. And cells are a fraction of accidents caused by distraction beyond that.

See, if talking through a blue tooth is distracting enough to cause an accident, and the government must protect us from that, then conversations with passengers have to be stopped as well, so too transporting children, and listening to radio or music, and so on.

No, truckers are the easy target, and I get sick of that, considering I believe that auto drivers should be held to the same standards as truckers, and we'd decrease the congestion of highways by half I'd bet. Besides we as truckers pay the most as a percentage for those roads, and the interstate system was specifically built for us, and the military. We allow cars to use them.


j-mac

I agree that truck drivers are easy targets and since CSA 2010 came out, I have a special hard-on for government regulation of the trucking industry. But, there are more than a few steering wheel holders out there that brought this on us. I think the biggest problem that the trucking industry faces, are people who drive trucks, that think they're still driving a car and negotiate the road in the same manner.
 
More than likely the reason that truckers are often used as an example is because a 60k lb rig will do far more damage than a 10k lb car. Everyone knows this so its a more visible subject than a little ole toyota.

What about when that four-wheeler causes the accident? If you make a mileage comparison, cars/pick-up trucks cause waaaaaaay more damage than big trucks do.
 
What about when that four-wheeler causes the accident? If you make a mileage comparison, cars/pick-up trucks cause waaaaaaay more damage than big trucks do.

In the long run most definately for the simple fact that there are far more cars on the road than trucks. But on a one to one (one car vs one truck for one instance) basis no. And that is what most people will focus on. What happens over a year rarely is the focus of individuals.
 
I am so sick of this type of smear coming out of mental midgets like LaHood, and others that seek to blame the ills of driving and accident rates on Truckers. It is intellectually lazy.

We deliver the things you use every damned day, and what thanks do we get for it? Flipped off, honked at, called in on threatening our lively hood, and ever increasing regulation and taxation that will result in Americans paying much higher costs at the check out line.

Car drivers have over the years, my own some 20 years driving, become rude, rule of the road breakers, and completely selfish in their driving, not caring a bit whom they place in danger. And who constantly gets the blame for it? We do, Truckers!

Heck even stories on the news that show truck vs car accidents on the highways often don't tell the watchers until the very end of the story that the car was at fault.

Lawyers cashing in, suing even if their client was the cause of the accident like bottom feeders they are.

Now, I am not saying that there are some truckers out there that are inexperienced, and do cause some problems, however, you keep it up, (talking to the ungrateful masses here) and just wait. When myself, and my cohorts that do have the experience decide to pack it in, then you'll be left with nothing but greenhorns. Good luck with that.


j-mac

Well, J-mac, your "delivering of the things we use every damned day" doesn't give you the right to endanger lives more than they are already endangered. While I certainly do not agree with the gov't banning people from doing something legit in a car, your doing some things, while on the road, endanger others. There is the big catch. I am against ANYBODY doing anything distracting while driving, sans having a conversation in the car. There is a difference, you don't have to conscientiously answer a phone if it's someone in the car. I've driven for 15 years, without a single accident and one yellow light violation (not a red light running ticket, ironically enough) in those 15 years, long long expunged. I drove my truck twice while on the phone, and it terrified me. I always drive alone, have my radio preset, and I do very little while driving. I have HAM radio, but since that's no more than a CB with better range, I am not against having it or having truckers use them. The conversations on CB's are short lived due to range/congestion limits, but cell phone conversations can go on for HOURS.

While I don't think the gov't has a right to infringe on what you can do inside your vehicle, I do not believe that you have a right to do something that endangers my life, or anyone elses. This doesn't mean that we don't respect truck drivers (we took a 700 mile car trip today from Tennessee to south Louisiana and saw no fewer than 15 truckers who were 1. Exceeding the speed limit, 2. swerving, 3. not using blinkers correctly, 4. Tailgating so don't pretend that truckers are god's gift to the freeway) but you don't get special privileges because you haul my junk. Because getting technical, if it wasn't for me putting a demand on the junk you haul, you'd be out of a job. So you should be thanking us for buying ****, not getting pissy because we don't want 80,000lbs of big rig at 70mph controlled by a driver who is too busy babbling with someone on the other side of the country about what their little boy did at soccer.

And no, not every distraction can be eliminated. But most truckers ride alone, and cell phones are a controllable distraction, so why wouldn't you want to be safe? They've already done tests and proven while talking on a cell phone you are a less attentive driver. It's not a secret. To argue it would be asinine.

http://www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accident/cell-phone/statistics.html

# A car driver dialing a cell phone is 2.8 times more likely to get into a crash than a non-distracted driver.

No, shut up and drive. Talk on the CB, but put down the phone. I'll lead by example. Truckers "trucked" for decades before cell phones were invented with nothing more than an am/fm radio and a CB and they managed. I agree with banning truckers from using them while driving but only because I think they should be banned across the board for all drivers.
 
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