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    Re: U.S. proposes cellphone ban for truck drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    However. studies repeatedly show that it isn't the physical act of manipulating the phone that causes the problem, but the attention that is lost when in conversation on the phone that is the problem. Likely ok in an area with sparse traffic, but in a busy downtown area with pedestrians, motorcycles, bicycles, etc. or on a busy highway, probably not a good idea.
    So you are talking about the mere act of a conversation while driving, am I correct in that interpretation? If so, do you ever have a passenger in your car? Do you talk to them while driving? Listen to the radio? Change the station on that radio? Look at directions? Or do you just sit rigid, and silent in a silent car to your destination?

    Oh, and could you provide the "study" please?




    And many of these are not a good idea. I don't think grabbing a bottle of water or Coke from the area between the seats is going to be distracting. It doesn't take much in the way of attention to do this, or even to munch on a McDonald's hamburger. Some of those other things, I would agree with you on... though, due to the common nature of cell phones in cars vis a vis people copulating, it would seem to me that government action in that area would be of a higher priority.

    Hmmm....I see, so you don't think that the things that you do, which have been discussed on other 'distracted driving' discussions as a distraction, are indeed distracting when you do them, just when others do?

    A new study suggests that laws banning talking on or sending text messages with cell phones while driving may not significantly decrease the risk of traffic accidents. Instead, experts suggest dealing with the problem of distracted drivers in general.

    Study: Distractions, not phones, cause car crashes | Signal Strength - CNET News
    Or how about this one...

    While cell phones have been widely criticized as the cause of distracted driving, they ranked sixth in the study's list of distracted driving behaviors. Looking at traffic, crashes and roadside incidents was the primary distraction in 16 percent of the crashes studied, followed by driver fatigue, 12 percent; looking at scenery, 10 percent; passenger and child distractions, nine percent; and adjusting the radio, CD or tape player, seven percent. Cell phones were cited as the primary distraction in slightly more than five percent of the crashes studied. Distractions inside the vehicle accounted for 62 percent of all the crashes studies.

    VCU study finds cell phones are not the leading cause of distracted driving – VCU News Center

    Cell phones are the easy target, because when we are mad at the driver in front of us for going too slow, or guilty of distracted driving, and they are talking on a phone we attribute that to their displayed inattention to the road and traffic conditions. That may not be the case.

    And Truckers are also easy targets because everyone thinks of us a large, slow, nuisance on the road causing them to be late until they get to the store and are told that their product they want to buy isn't in stock.....Face it most people, even a few in here are self centered jerks that think that they own the road and no one else should hold them up....

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    Re: U.S. proposes cellphone ban for truck drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Just to catch back up, I was on the road to Salem VA, and back home yesterday. But anyway, I can certainly see holding the phone to your ear, dialing, and texting, but what of a 'hands free' device? Like I said earlier, I have a headset that allows me to simply voice command a call at will, and receive calls while never taking my hands off the wheel, or eyes off the road. And, my wifes new Fusion has SYNC in it that allows the same thing. So why attack ALL cell use? Couldn't we just say that everyone must be required to be 'hands free' while driving?
    Studies have shown that a person that is on the cell phone (be it a hands free device or not) drives as bad as a drunk driver..or a 60 (or was it 65?) year old. The studies were conducted on 18 year olds if I remember correctly.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Same question as above....Also, I'd like to point out that there are much more dangerous things occurring on the road by passenger car drivers....During my time behind the wheel for a living, I have seen no less than, reading a book, reading a paper, working on a computer, arguing with a girlfriend/boyfriend/spouse, various sex acts between both, sex acts without anyone else in the car, drinking while driving, eating while driving, and so on. There are distractions on the road like billboards, eatery's, and my new favorite concerning billboards....Lit up neon billboards that blind the hell out of you while driving. And you are concerned about a professional trucker with a headset?
    The only thing that I do while driving is drinking a pop and smoking a cigarette. Neither one is that much of a distraction as I can do both without ever taking my eyes off the road or both hands off the steering wheel. And even then I don't do either very often. However I would not object to banning drinking anything while driving. The rest of what you say you have seen is illegal already though. With the exceptions of eating and arguing with someone. Ban the eating. As for the arguing...not sure if that COULD be banned...free speech and all that.

    Now obviously not everything can be banned as it would be impractical to enforce alot of it or would run into rights violations. But for the stuff that can be...do it.
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    Re: U.S. proposes cellphone ban for truck drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And Truckers are also easy targets because everyone thinks of us a large, slow, nuisance on the road causing them to be late until they get to the store and are told that their product they want to buy isn't in stock.....Face it most people, even a few in here are self centered jerks that think that they own the road and no one else should hold them up....
    Not me. When it comes to truckers I do one of two things, when possible slow down until I am at least 4-5 car lengths behind them or I speed up and pass them and keep going fast until I am at least 10 car lengths ahead of them. I know that trucks cannot stop on a dime and I don't want my butt rear ended by a semi, or slam into one because I was too close...they're a hell of a lot bigger than me and I will give them a nice WIDE berth.

    As for owning the road with the rest of cars and pickups...not me again. I always make sure that I am at least 2 car lengths behind any car..no matter how fast (or slow) they are going. If they are going too slow then I will wait until I can SAFELY pass them...and by wait I mean wait until I can't see a single vehicle ahead of them for at least a mile..perferably more. I won't pass if there is more than one car ahead of me. At four way stops I will always make sure that the person on the right goes before me if we arrived at the same time. And then I wait a bit longer to make sure that no one else that DOES think they own the road doesn't try and go out of turn.
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    Re: U.S. proposes cellphone ban for truck drivers

    I drive a lot.... probably 30-40 hrs a week, most of it business related. I have near-misses every week, because I'm out on the road a lot. Sometimes the back roads are worse than the highways.

    Yeah, at lot of times when I see people veer into oncoming traffic-lanes they're on a cellphone. Ditto when they have to slam on brakes because they didn't see the cars at the stop-light.

    But if I had to cite the one thing I think causes more accidents than anything else, it would be tailgating, and right after that, speeding. The two are usually related: people get impatient and think if they ride someone's bumper they'll speed up.

    Sometimes they literally get within inches of your rear bumper. They'd hit you it you even tapped your brakes. This is insane. It gives the driver in front of you control over whether you have an accident or not, and in most states the guy who rear-ends the other is at fault.

    Not to mention, tailgaters reduce their field of view and impair their ability to see and react to changing road conditions.

    I've had professional driver training, because I spend so much time on the road in a company vehicle. We're taught that staying four seconds or more behind the next car will nearly cut accidents in half. I really wish more people would realize this and follow it.

    If you asked me whether I'd prefer that cellphone use be banned, or that cops cracked down on tailgating, I'd prefer the latter.

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    Re: U.S. proposes cellphone ban for truck drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Studies have shown that a person that is on the cell phone (be it a hands free device or not) drives as bad as a drunk driver..or a 60 (or was it 65?) year old. The studies were conducted on 18 year olds if I remember correctly.

    18 year olds? Seriously, you are going to compare the driving habits of a 20 year veteran truck driver, with well over 2 million miles logged and verified, with an 18 year old in Mom's family truckster? As a NYC friend of mine would say....'Get the **** outta here!'

    Please provide study you are talking of.

    The only thing that I do while driving is drinking a pop and smoking a cigarette.
    uh huh....both are a documented distraction.

    Neither one is that much of a distraction as I can do both without ever taking my eyes off the road or both hands off the steering wheel.
    Says you. Until that soda slips out of your hand and is spilling on the leather seats. or that cigarette cherry falls off onto the carpeted floor or in between your legs. Then it's into the other lane for you pal.

    The rest of what you say you have seen is illegal already though. With the exceptions of eating and arguing with someone. Ban the eating. As for the arguing...not sure if that COULD be banned...free speech and all that.
    That is just the point, if I am using a hands free device, either incorporated into the cars system, or my headset, my hands never leave the wheel, and my eyes never leave the road. So what's the problem.

    Now obviously not everything can be banned as it would be impractical to enforce alot of it or would run into rights violations. But for the stuff that can be...do it.
    There is a good point, and thanks for bringing this up....Who is going to enforce it? Heck, Seat belts aren't aggressively enforced now unless you are stopped for something else. Weigh Stations remain closed in a majority of places because of lack of manpower to open them.

    Not me. When it comes to truckers I do one of two things, when possible slow down until I am at least 4-5 car lengths behind them or I speed up and pass them and keep going fast until I am at least 10 car lengths ahead of them. I know that trucks cannot stop on a dime and I don't want my butt rear ended by a semi, or slam into one because I was too close...they're a hell of a lot bigger than me and I will give them a nice WIDE berth.

    As for owning the road with the rest of cars and pickups...not me again. I always make sure that I am at least 2 car lengths behind any car..no matter how fast (or slow) they are going. If they are going too slow then I will wait until I can SAFELY pass them...and by wait I mean wait until I can't see a single vehicle ahead of them for at least a mile..perferably more. I won't pass if there is more than one car ahead of me. At four way stops I will always make sure that the person on the right goes before me if we arrived at the same time. And then I wait a bit longer to make sure that no one else that DOES think they own the road doesn't try and go out of turn.
    If I believe you, you are in the minority....Consider...

    An average of at least 1,500 men, women, and children are injured or killed each year in the United States as a result of "aggressive driving." A review of 10,037 incidents gathered by Mizell & Company from newspapers, police reports, and insurance reports clearly illustrates that anyone can be targeted and victimized.

    AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety - Resources
    In order to quantify the extent of the road rage problem, the Automobile Association commissioned a survey of 526 motorists. The survey, carried out in January, 1995, found that almost 90 percent of motorists have experienced "road rage" incidents during the last 12 months. Sixty percent admitted to losing their tempers behind the wheel.

    Aggressive tailgating (62 percent) was the most common form of "road rage," followed by headlight flashing (59 percent), obscene gestures (48 percent), deliberately obstructing other vehicles (21 percent) and verbal abuse (16 percent). One percent of drivers claim to have been physically assaulted by other motorists.

    Although 62 percent of drivers were victimized by aggressive tailgaters, only 6 percent admitted to doing it themselves. Gender differences were not as great as expected; 54 percent of women admitted to aggressive driving behavior, compared with 64 percent of men.

    AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety - Resources
    Consider, for instance, walking in a hurry along a very long and narrow corridor without any chances to pass a large person walking very slowly in front!4

    Our aim, then, is to determine why "pedestrian rage" does not exist; if road rage has simply provided a convenient handle on which coincidental and unrelated incidents can be hung and thereby be given more weight, or if the driving environment provides a unique situation liable to give rise to aggressive behavior.

    In 1968 Parry, an early researcher in this area, raised a similar point:

    ...anyone who, late for an appointment, tries to walk briskly along a crowded city street, heavy with slow-moving shop-gazers, will not improve his speed of progress if he angrily pushes aside his fellow-citizens, swears at them, or threatens them with physical assault. Yet this is precisely what a number of drivers in their vehicles do when pressed for time.5

    Our comparison of the driving and walking scenarios can be divided into two primary questions:

    1. Is the driving environment more likely to give rise to aggression?

    2. Is the experience of aggressive emotion more likely to be translated into violent behavior in the driving environment?

    AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety - Resources
    I'd say these are far more problematic than the trucker talking to his wife while on cruise control in the slow lane, a wife that he hasn't seen for the past week, at least.


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    Re: U.S. proposes cellphone ban for truck drivers

    On a lighter, and more chauvenistic note....

    Are women aware that cars will start and run without being on the cellphone?

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    Re: U.S. proposes cellphone ban for truck drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    18 year olds? Seriously, you are going to compare the driving habits of a 20 year veteran truck driver, with well over 2 million miles logged and verified, with an 18 year old in Mom's family truckster? As a NYC friend of mine would say....'Get the **** outta here!'

    Please provide study you are talking of.
    I would if I could remember it. But here's a couple that shows other studies done on it...

    AAA Foundation
    Drivers on Cell Phones Are as Bad as Drunks

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    uh huh....both are a documented distraction.
    True, but not near as bad as cell phones and drunk driving.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Says you. Until that soda slips out of your hand and is spilling on the leather seats. or that cigarette cherry falls off onto the carpeted floor or in between your legs. Then it's into the other lane for you pal.
    Been there, done that. I don't go into the other lane. I pull over to the side of the road ASAP and then deal with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That is just the point, if I am using a hands free device, either incorporated into the cars system, or my headset, my hands never leave the wheel, and my eyes never leave the road. So what's the problem.
    Hopefully this was answered in the above studies.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There is a good point, and thanks for bringing this up....Who is going to enforce it? Heck, Seat belts aren't aggressively enforced now unless you are stopped for something else. Weigh Stations remain closed in a majority of places because of lack of manpower to open them.
    I would have no problem with them pulling a person over for talking on a cell phone. IE make cops be more aggressive.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If I believe you, you are in the minority....Consider...
    Yes I am in the minority. I don't even need your links to tell me that. (and I haven't even read them) It constantly amazes me just how idiotic and inconsiderate most drivers are. By my estimations 70% (granted my estimation doesn't mean squat..but still, it's my opinion )of accidents could be avoided if people simply paid attention and were considerate.
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    Re: U.S. proposes cellphone ban for truck drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I would if I could remember it. But here's a couple that shows other studies done on it...

    AAA Foundation
    Drivers on Cell Phones Are as Bad as Drunks



    True, but not near as bad as cell phones and drunk driving.



    Been there, done that. I don't go into the other lane. I pull over to the side of the road ASAP and then deal with it.



    Hopefully this was answered in the above studies.



    I would have no problem with them pulling a person over for talking on a cell phone. IE make cops be more aggressive.



    Yes I am in the minority. I don't even need your links to tell me that. (and I haven't even read them) It constantly amazes me just how idiotic and inconsiderate most drivers are. By my estimations 70% (granted my estimation doesn't mean squat..but still, it's my opinion )of accidents could be avoided if people simply paid attention and were considerate.

    You won't read mine, but I did read yours, and here is something from your own provided link

    Research has demonstrated that drivers are susceptible to virtually innumerable distractions that can
    contribute to the occurrence of a crash. For example, a study conducted in 2001 for the AAA Foundation
    for Traffic Safety analyzed a nationally-representative sample of crashes that occurred between 1995
    and 1999 and resulted in one or more passenger vehicles having to be towed due to damage, and found
    that 8.3% of drivers in these crashes were reported to have been distracted (Stutts, Reinfurt, Staplin, &
    Rodgman, 2001). The most common sources of distraction cited in these crashes were an outside person,
    object, or event (29.4% of crash-involved drivers); adjusting the radio, cassette, or CD (11.4%),
    passengers (10.9%). Distraction related to the use of a cell phone was cited in 1.5% of crashes.
    So changing the radio station was responsible for nearly 30% of crashes, while cell phones were responsible for 1.5%

    Yeah, should we remove radios from cars as well?

    And from the other:

    The study included 25 men and 15 women ages 22 to 34 who were social drinkers (three to five drinks per week) recruited via newspaper advertisements. Two-thirds used a cell phone while driving. Each participant was paid $100 for 10 hours in the study.
    Wow, a whole 40 people? Really, and from that, and 10 hours they conclude this trash? Give me a break!


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    Re: U.S. proposes cellphone ban for truck drivers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Now, I am not saying that there are some truckers out there that are inexperienced, and do cause some problems, however, you keep it up, (talking to the ungrateful masses here) and just wait. When myself, and my cohorts that do have the experience decide to pack it in, then you'll be left with nothing but greenhorns. Good luck with that.


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    oh good grief.

    pack it in. someone else will take the job.

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    Re: U.S. proposes cellphone ban for truck drivers

    Mythbusters conclusively confirmed it, as will almost any research on the topic one cares to read. Wikipedia has lots of links too...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8LuM92Twm8&NR=1

    Mobile phones and driving safety - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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