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WikiLeaks: Cuba banned Sicko for depicting 'mythical' healthcare system

ARealConservative said:
he is asking journalists to do the fact checking.

that in itself is certainly reasonable.
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Well, that depends on the so called "journalists" he asks doesn't it now? I mean, if it is someone like PolitiFact from the liberal St pete Times, that has demonstrated in the past that they allow their editorial board to run that section as well, leading to bias, then reasonable is not how I would describe them.


j-mac
 
so how do we know who is telling the truth... Micheal Moore or the source in the OP?
 
SheWolf said:
so how do we know who is telling the truth... Micheal Moore or the source in the OP?
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Michael Moore only mentioned one time it was shown on Cuban television. I do not believe he said anything about it not being censored to suit the Cuban government's standards for its airing, which I find extremely likely. So in a way, they could both be right. Google seems to cofirm other, earlier sources backing up both the fact that it was banned in 2007, and the fact that it aired on TV once in 2008.
 
"A cable from January 2008 says it wasn't shown."

Moore: "Bull****! It was shown in April 2008!!! LIARS!!!!"
 
Dav said:
This is... this is just... wow.

WikiLeaks: Cuba banned Sicko for depicting 'mythical' healthcare system | World news | guardian.co.uk



Is there anyone who can take that movie - and Michael Moore in general - seriously after this? It was so dishonest in its portrayal of the Cuban health care system, it was banned in Cuba for making them look too good. There's something really awe-inspiring about that. You'd think that they'd be tossing it everywhere they could to use as propaganda if it was anywhere even close to being honest (to show why they're better than those capitalist American scum, etc). Yet somehow it must have crossed the line of dishonest and entered the realm of complete fantasy at some point.
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Anyone that has spent any time in a Commi country, or has a modicum of sanity knew Moore's flick was a crock... just like his other attempts at serious film making.

Pure poison, but some people will believe anything. It's how we got Obama after all.

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Harshaw said:
"A cable from January 2008 says it wasn't shown."

Moore: "Bull****! It was shown in April 2008!!! LIARS!!!!"
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If you would have bothered to read what I posted, then your post wouldn't have looked so foolish. From Mike Moore:

Sounds convincing, eh?! There's only one problem -- 'Sicko' had just been playing in Cuban theaters. Then the entire nation of Cuba was shown the film on national television on April 25, 2008! The Cubans embraced the film so much so it became one of those rare American movies that received a theatrical distribution in Cuba. I personally ensured that a 35mm print got to the Film Institute in Havana. Screenings of 'Sicko' were set up in towns all across the country.
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This is amazing. Simply amazing.
 
Those that have knowledge of the reality of the health care system in Cuba recognized Michael Moore's documentary Sicko, as a propaganda tool for the Castros dictatorship. Moore employed the most effective Stalinist methods of agitprop, depicting Castros’ health care system as the finest in the world.

The regime health-care system falls very short of its classless claims as shown in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pqv5ABQP5U&feature=player_embedded

This leak confirms that Michael Moore is a consummate propagandist.
 
Middleground said:
If you would have bothered to read what I posted, then your post wouldn't have looked so foolish. From Mike Moore:
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you're saying, michael moore is telling the truth and the cable and wikileaks is lying?
 
Middleground said:
If you would have bothered to read what I posted, then your post wouldn't have looked so foolish. From Mike Moore:
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Yeah? What date he give for that?

(And what evidence did he present for it?)
 
DarkWizard12 said:
you're saying, michael moore is telling the truth and the cable and wikileaks is lying?
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That does appear to be the case, yes. Never mind that they had no motivation to lie in the cable, but Moore, on the other hand . . .
 
DarkWizard12 said:
you're saying, michael moore is telling the truth and the cable and wikileaks is lying?
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I find it humorous that Moore is the one who bailed the leaker out of jail.
He's probably going," Damn these leaks. I thought they'd only be about George Bush!"
 
Barbbtx said:
I find it humorous that Moore is the one who bailed the leaker out of jail.
He's probably going," Damn these leaks. I thought they'd only be about George Bush!"
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Actually, he seems pretty happy.

 
Mr. Invisible said:
Actually, he seems pretty happy.

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Was that before he knew that there were leaks about his movie, that he says are frauds?

Sorry, I didn't watch the entire interview. However he was doing plenty of praising of Wikileaks for uncovering concocted lies by the government etc. So it seems he's saying we deserve to know the truth from Wikileaks, unless it's about his movie, and then we can't trust them.

Oh shoot, I don't know. Maybe I've got it all wrong. I haven't been keeping up with Moore or Wikileaks except for what i catch on DP.
 
If Moore and his supporters claim that this report isn’t accurate, where does that leave us face to face Wikileaks? If the Wikileaks documents support your cause they are the definitive truth but if they don’t support the cause it’s more evidence of government dishonesty. Michael Moore, it is worth pointing out, pledged money to Assange’s bail efforts. What a shock.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Actually, he seems pretty happy.

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Michael Moore is a buffoon. 'Assange should be compared to Jefferson, or Franklin...'

Really? :lamo What a jack ass this guy is......

And Olberman treating him like he is a national leader of some sort.....Can anyone say, loss of credibility?


j-mac
 
Just so we have it clear the Obama administration view of this....





And then there is this rather funny quip from our friends at SNL




Enjoy


j-mac
 
LOL

And yet, there he sat, next to Jimmy Carter, in the VIP suite of the Democratic National Convention not so very long ago.

Hitler had his Himmlers and Goerings. Castro, Chavez, and Putin have their Michael Moores, Sean Penns, and Danny Glovers.
 
TOJ said:
Only the seriously stupid have ever taken Moore's Sicko seriously.

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Careful...that may be a punishable offense...because there were a LOT of morons jumping on board to defend how wonderful Cubas health care system is (without...of course...actually having the first ****ing clue about it).
 
Convenient how only the cables pertaining to HIM are "lies."
 
Middleground said:
The big problem with this story is...wow...just wow... Sicko was not only shown in theatres across Cuba, but the government made it a point to show it on national TV. LOL
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LOL - what a joke the Guardian is... would be nice if they at least put forth some minimal level of effort to check the veracity of this stuff before publishing it as "fact." Now, instead of retracting the story, they just pull it - the OP link is now broken.

The story has now been replaced with this one:
WikiLeaks cables: Michael Moore film Sicko was 'not banned' in Cuba

This story also contains unsubstantiated "facts" -- at least the Guardian is consistent on something:
American diplomats made up a story that Cuba banned Michael Moore's 2007 documentary, Sicko, in an attempt to discredit the film which painted an unflattering picture of the US healthcare system, the film-maker said today.
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EDIT: "This story also contains unsubstantiated "facts" -- at least the Guardian is consistent on something:" is not technically true, given that it's credited to Moore. But it's still implied by the story to be fact, especially if the reader just glances at the first couple lines.
 
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It's also interesting to read some of the Cuban propaganda:

Defying the mines laid to secure the illegally maintained military base, the documentary maker announces on loudspeakers the purpose of his visit. Standing high up on the top of a base checkpoint tower, the only response he receives is a siren’s howl. So the helpless shipwrecked persons have no other way out than to land on Cuban soil.

The small underdeveloped country, which precisely the United States insists in presenting as a danger, welcomes the 11/9 rescuers, who receives the best specialized medical assistance.
Moore, in one of the interviews he granted before premiering the film said: “ Cuba is a poor country that impressed me a lot because the little resources it has are destined to provide sanitary assistance. They end up living more than we do, have a lower infant’s mortality rate in relation to us. Besides they send their doctors on working missions to the Third World countries in need”.

Memorable in Sicko is for example the scene, where American soldiers join a group of Cuban firemen. Together they pay tribute to the September 11 victims, share anecdotes, experience and embrace as if they were brothers.

“If this is what happens between two alleged enema parties, if an enemy can hake hand with you and also cure you, then what won’t be possible”, Sicko’s director wonders.
http://www.cubasi.cu/desktopdefault.aspx?spk=160&clk=160800&lk=2&ck=82951&spka=35
 
Taylor said:
LOL - what a joke the Guardian is... would be nice if they at least put forth some minimal level of effort to check the veracity of this stuff before publishing it as "fact." Now, instead of retracting the story, they just pull it - the OP link is now broken.

The story has now been replaced with this one:
WikiLeaks cables: Michael Moore film Sicko was 'not banned' in Cuba
EDIT: "This story also contains unsubstantiated "facts" -- at least the Guardian is consistent on something:" is not technically true, given that it's credited to Moore. But it's still implied by the story to be fact, especially if the reader just glances at the first couple lines.
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Its a lie because Michael Moore SAYS its a lie?



Its especially good at the end of the clip when he is called on his lies he diverts attention away from Cuba and tries to shift the focus to Canada and England.
 
VanceMack said:
Its a lie because Michael Moore SAYS its a lie?
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It's assumed inaccurate given that the record of discussion from Cuban websites and news services. I have no idea whether the film was edited or shown in its entirety, or whether the leaked cable was a "lie" or merely incorrect.
 
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