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    Re: WikiLeaks: Cuba banned Sicko for depicting 'mythical' healthcare system

    I do not know what rational creature could buy this:

    The film-maker said on his blog that the diplomatic cable, dated 31 January 2008, was "a stunning look at the Orwellian nature of how bureaucrats for the state spin their lies and try to recreate reality (I assume to placate their bosses and tell them what they want to hear)".
    As I said, this puts ALL Wikileaks cables in doubt, not just the ones inconvenient to Moore.
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    Re: WikiLeaks: Cuba banned Sicko for depicting 'mythical' healthcare system

    The cable existed and was leaked. It contained incorrect information. Such is the nature of raw intelligence.

    Moore's film was highly complimentary of the Cuban medical system in comparison to the American system. And why not? The whole film was about the cruelty imposed by the American healthcare insurance industry which sells inferior products that don't cover real life issues and which when exposed to significant pay outs, cuts off the beneficiaries on any technicality available. The penalties and fines imposed on the industry by the courts and state regulators that were described in Moore's film are real; this is an industry rife with corruption and deceit. The American system is awful and any system, such as the Cuban system which provides universal coverage to all its citizens looks pretty damn good in comparison. Thank God, Obama and the Democrats have reformed our system; it was literally killing us.
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    Re: WikiLeaks: Cuba banned Sicko for depicting 'mythical' healthcare system

    Wikileaks leaks the cables. The veracity or lack of same is down to the sender, in this case a diplomat who told the Bush junta what it wanted to hear. As a Bush appointee, he probably half-believed it himself anyway, such was his motivation to throw mud at Moore, who seems to have touched a raw nerve in the Righterati.
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    Re: WikiLeaks: Cuba banned Sicko for depicting 'mythical' healthcare system

    So I guess Wikileaks has no more credibility than a tabloid. Some things may be true, but then again, some may be total fabrications.
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    Re: WikiLeaks: Cuba banned Sicko for depicting 'mythical' healthcare system

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    So I guess Wikileaks has no more credibility than a tabloid. Some things may be true, but then again, some may be total fabrications.
    You can't blame Wikileaks for what people in the US government said. Wikileaks is only leaking the cables. They are not the ones creating the content. That being said, we must take each cable we read with a grain of salt. What is in those cables are from the minds of people in the Bush administration. Some of what they said might be true, and some might not be. You have to have the ability to think independently when you read them. From what I have seen, so far in this thread, people are posting from their respective ideologies (Liberal or Conservative), and not paying any heed to independent thinking. And, of course, this leads to the faux anger we are seeing from both sides.

    Did Castro really ban Sicko in Cuba? Utilizing a novel idea, known as thinking logically, I can't see how he did. After all, here was a perfectly good chance to smear the US. Yea, Castro is not an independent thinker either. His statements are also based on nothing but hate and bias. In fact, he reminds me a lot of some people in this country, known as Democratic and Republican ideologues.
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    Re: WikiLeaks: Cuba banned Sicko for depicting 'mythical' healthcare system

    Thinking logically, Moore has quite a bit more reason to lie than the author of the cable did. And Moore has had plenty of problems with the truth.

    And besides, there's also nothing actually inconsistent with the cable and what Moore claims as the "truth." He talks about things which happened after the cable was written.

    I just think it's hysterical that the people who were cheering the loudest for Wikileaks are now nearly unanimous in that this cable, which makes one of their own look bad, MUST be unreliable.
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    “Moore has quite a bit more reason to” tell the truth than anybody concerned, left or right, because he knows the underlying truth supports his position that the American health insurance is unjust, unfair and inefficient. It really is that simple.
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    Re: WikiLeaks: Cuba banned Sicko for depicting 'mythical' healthcare system

    This whole thing confuses me. Is he saying years ago those cables were sent because they somehow knew they would get leaked someday?
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    Re: WikiLeaks: Cuba banned Sicko for depicting 'mythical' healthcare system

    The leaked cable quotes an unidentified source stating that “Cuban authorities have banned Michael Moore's documentary, ‘Sicko,’ as being subversive.” It doesn’t show that Cuban officials banned Moore's documentary, or that American diplomats hoped to discredit Moore by inventing a story that Cuban authorities banned the film.

    The Real Cuba Website host, George Utset found out the source of the “banned” documentary:
    I remember what Dr. Darsi Ferrer said back in July of 2007 when I was helping a producer for ABC 20/20, who was preparing a program to contradict much of what Michael Moore had portrayed on ‘Sicko.’

    I was on the line with the producer, who didn't speak Spanish, and Darsi in Cuba and we were telling him what was shown on the part of the documentary that was filmed in Cuba about how wonderful health care was in the island and how, according to Michael Moore, all Cubans had access to the hospital and the medical services that his American guests received at Hospital Hermanos Ameijeiras in Havana.

    When he heard what we said, Darsi's immediate response was: "That documentary will never be shown in Cuba."

    The ABC producer was surprised! "Why wouldn't it be shown if it was complementary about Cuba's health care?"

    "Because here everyone knows that is a lie and it would be considered counter revolutionary to show regular Cubans the medical services that only foreigners can receive," was Darsi's response.
    Moore’s attempted rebuttal falls short. The State department cable was dated 1 January, and Moore’s claimed showing of the film to have been 28 April. So even if Moore’s claim is legitimate, it still does not refute the State Department cable.

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    Re: WikiLeaks: Cuba banned Sicko for depicting 'mythical' healthcare system

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    The leaked cable quotes an unidentified source stating that “Cuban authorities have banned Michael Moore's documentary, ‘Sicko,’ as being subversive.” It doesn’t show that Cuban officials banned Moore's documentary, or that American diplomats hoped to discredit Moore by inventing a story that Cuban authorities banned the film.

    The Real Cuba Website host, George Utset found out the source of the “banned” documentary:
    Moore’s attempted rebuttal falls short. The State department cable was dated 1 January, and Moore’s claimed showing of the film to have been 28 April. So even if Moore’s claim is legitimate, it still does not refute the State Department cable.

    Why is it so difficult for some of you to read simple facts??? The movie was shown in Cuba in January. Not on TV but in theatres.
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