View Poll Results: Should Michael Vick be allowed to own a dog?

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  • Absolutely

    15 34.88%
  • No way

    14 32.56%
  • I don't care

    11 25.58%
  • He should get 2 wives and start a cat fight

    2 4.65%
  • He should learn to fly, but would he end up in a dogfight again?

    1 2.33%
  • He should marry a real bitch

    2 4.65%
  • He should eat all his meals with dogs, with Alpo as main course

    4 9.30%
  • He should get shot by Snoop Dogg

    5 11.63%
  • He should be given to Scooby Doo as a Scooby Snack

    5 11.63%
  • Bring him to DP, and let Blackdog kick his ass

    9 20.93%
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    Better than your one colossal claim that he doesn't! Look the average big-city pound kills numerous amounts of dogs per day due to the irresponsibility of people not neutering or spaying their dogs.

    Why not give this guy a chance to both improve upon himself and prove to the world that he's has some good in him, afterall?

    Let's not be so prudish!
    Hey there MaggieD!

    First of all, I never said that he shouldn't serve his sentence. Where in the blazes did you get that from?

    Also, who is ever "fully cooked"! Life is a continual learning process. We evolve cerbrally throughout our duration upon this planet. Hopefully, our evolution is a positive one and we become more understanding and forgiving as time transpires. Realizing all along that nobody is perfect and that we ourselves as individuals, have commited even the most misdemeanor of crimes against humanity itself, leave alone other animals.

    Also war and the military should eventually be outlawed. It's just stupid at this point anymore since far too many enemies and allies alike now have nuclear power. I served in the US military for six years. Trust me, when I tell ya, there's much more brainwashing involved than even care to mention. This is especially so during times of warfare.

    PS.

    My list of possible bad things done in the past, perhaps during youth, were just examples. Of course, most boys in particular, have done something bad that they either regret introspectively speaking or they've been made to make restitution through some type of socially imposed fine or punishment.

    Sometimes we mistreat other human beings worse than we would ever treat other animals. I'm almost always surprised at some PETA member who hates blacks, latinos, or gays!
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
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    From the Department of Redundancy Department

    To your point, my claim is supported by Vick's past actions, your assumptions are not. You know what the best predictor of future behavior is? Past behavior.
    Good!

    Therefore, once a criminal, always a criminal... Once a thief, always a thief...Once a speeder, always a speeder...Once a repeater, always a repeater...

    How's about that for redundant thinking?

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    I assumed nothing. I simply offered an alternative approach to how we view people like Vick. He doesn't necessarily have to be the monster that he's been portrayed as being.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    Hey there MaggieD!

    First of all, I never said that he shouldn't serve his sentence. Where in the blazes did you get that from?

    Also, who is ever "fully cooked"! Life is a continual learning process. We evolve cerbrally throughout our duration upon this planet. Hopefully, our evolution is a positive one and we become more understanding and forgiving as time transpires. Realizing all along that nobody is perfect and that we ourselves as individuals, have commited even the most misdemeanor of crimes against humanity itself, leave alone other animals.

    Also war and the military should eventually be outlawed. It's just stupid at this point anymore since far too many enemies and allies alike now have nuclear power. I served in the US military for six years. Trust me, when I tell ya, there's much more brainwashing involved than even care to mention. This is especially so during times of warfare.

    PS.

    My list of possible bad things done in the past, perhaps during youth, were just examples. Of course, most boys in particular, have done something bad that they either regret introspectively speaking or they've been made to make restitution through some type of socially imposed fine or punishment.

    Sometimes we mistreat other human beings worse than we would ever treat other animals. I'm almost always surprised at some PETA member who hates blacks, latinos, or gays!
    I didn't read the whole thread, Hancock. If you believe that he should be able to own a dog after he's served his sentence, I'm in total agreement. And, of course, he will be able to do so.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You can destroy your own property.
    True, but you will never be charged with a crime for abusing your property or neglecting care to your property.. I have never heard a judge or anybody else complain about the inhumane treatment of animals.

    I will also argue it's legal to destroy human life in some situations.. turning off life support systems, in vitro fertilization, abortion, executions, for protection, etc. Of course it's also completely legal to destroy animal life in some situations.. but it's not legal to chop your dog up with a machete because you feel like it.

    But we've taken particular interest in the fluffy, cute animals we keep as pets. But they're still property. You can buy and sell it at your leisure. You can't do that with humans.
    What about adoption? It's legal in America to buy children and sell children without an agency, individuals do it at their own leisure.. and it's legal as long as a lawyer is involved. I have seen the ad space for myself.. And I am not trying to argue animals have the same rights or privileged as humans, I am just pointing out the problems I see with your arguments.


    Animals don't have any rights, there are privileges we've granted to them due to our emotional attachments; but they are not rights. Only humans possess rights. Cattle and horses are property, and of course they weren't bought and sold with the land because they are not part of land property. They're a certain sect of property. Like your computer. When you sell your house, the computer doesn't come with the price. Animals are essentially the same thing, we've just attached emotion to it.
    All rights are privileges.. I already know you believe rights are inalienable and I don't agree with your philosophy anyway..

    The fact is, you can abuse an animal.. you can treat an animal inhumanely.. and those are crimes..

    I personally reported somebody to the humane society once, because they didn't feed or care for their dog. It was emancipated and pitiful to look at. I have never seen the skeletal of a dog before. I could even see the shape of her skull and eye sockets, and when they investigated, they found her puppies dead and frozen to the porch. They had to go to court and she took their dog away and they never got it back.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    Good!

    Therefore, once a criminal, always a criminal... Once a thief, always a thief...Once a speeder, always a speeder...Once a repeater, always a repeater...

    How's about that for redundant thinking?

    PS.

    I assumed nothing. I simply offered an alternative approach to how we view people like Vick. He doesn't necessarily have to be the monster that he's been portrayed as being.
    Once a pedophile, always a pedophile? Or do you think after they serve their time, pedophiles should be able to open their homes to foster children?

    I am hard pressed to believe that Vick "grew" some empathy while he was in prison. I personally believe he shouldn't ever have been allowed to own a pet as part of his punishment, but since it wasn't included I'm sure eventually he will. And he'll "love" this dog just as much as he did his previous ones.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    I have never understood how a nation that loves football, boxing, and the MMA, cannot tolerate cock fights and dog fights.

    I know that cock fighting and dog fighting is brutal and ruthless, but boxing and the UFC are both brutal and ruthless as well.

    Maybe you're concerned that the dog or chicken will die in at end. Well that's a distinct possibility, but in the end, your thirst for violence, aggression, and bloodshed would have been quenched. The same thirst that gets quenched when you go to a MMA or boxing match. How long would the average person mourn the death of an MMA fighter. Most people I'll bet would be all to eager to see the next fighter and skip the mourning bit altogether!

    In football, who doesn't like to see a running back get tackled? Who doesn't want to see a quarterback get his clock cleaned? This is especially so when the star quarterback is on the opposing team, it's the fourth quarter, your team is down by 3 pts., the other team is on the 60 yardline, and it's their 3rd down. There's only 50 seconds on the clock!

    Let's just face it! There's something within most humans that yearns for aggressive entertainment. The Romans had their gladiators, lions, and all sorts of beast. We modern day humans can have just about anything we want!
    The difference is the people in MMA and boxing choose to fight.. and my understand is that dogs often fight to the death. If they get in the ring and try to run out, and won't fight.. that is usually reason to kill the dog. It's worthless if it won't fight. It provides no service to the trainer anymore.

    And trainers don't take their injured dogs to the vet to fix them up... so they often try to do it themselves or don't do it at all. That isn't very safe for the dog and can often lead to infection.

    Part of the training usually involves using another dog, a weaker dog as bait.. so the fighter dog can get it's "teeth wet" and learn to kill.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Once a pedophile, always a pedophile? Or do you think after they serve their time, pedophiles should be able to open their homes to foster children?

    I am hard pressed to believe that Vick "grew" some empathy while he was in prison. I personally believe he shouldn't ever have been allowed to own a pet as part of his punishment, but since it wasn't included I'm sure eventually he will. And he'll "love" this dog just as much as he did his previous ones.
    I totally agree, Kelzie. How does one's thinking make a 180 degree turn like that? We're supposed to buy, all of a sudden, that Vick empathizes with dogs?

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I totally agree, Kelzie. How does one's thinking make a 180 degree turn like that? We're supposed to buy, all of a sudden, that Vick empathizes with dogs?
    It doesn't and he doesn't. No amount of jail time is going to make me start empathizing with spiders. I'll sing a pretty song to make people think I do, but I'll still squish them in the privacy of my own home. Seriously, if you ain't got, it, you ain't got it.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Once a pedophile, always a pedophile? Or do you think after they serve their time, pedophiles should be able to open their homes to foster children?

    I am hard pressed to believe that Vick "grew" some empathy while he was in prison. I personally believe he shouldn't ever have been allowed to own a pet as part of his punishment, but since it wasn't included I'm sure eventually he will. And he'll "love" this dog just as much as he did his previous ones.
    Why in the world are you guys placing this indiscretion on the same level as pedophilia?

    That's just NOT smart!

    What can you say about a MMA fighter?

    The typical MMA fighter, beats the heck out of another human being (sometimes when they're already profusely bleeding), and once he knocks the guy out, he's still allowed to punch the guy some more until the referee stops the action. Many of these guys openly admit that they have a propensity for violence, bad tempers, and don't take any crap off of anyone one!

    Should we now register them as a possible threat to society and have them go to the nearest police station to announce their presence to the unsuspecting community?

    What Vick did was less than beating the heck out of another human being. He caused no harm to another human being! People cause grave detriment to other people on a daily basis and many members of our society would agree with the harm imposed.

    What Vick did was reprehensible! However, it was not unforgiveable!

    Quite possibly, the best therapy for Vick and the rest of us, would be to allow him to begin showing affection to another being. Perhaps, if successful, he won't have to pay this insufferable debt of eternal social stigma.

    My GOD! Give the guy a break!

    Don't forget, animals are NOT on the same level as humans. We eat animals everyday! Most of us don't want to know how the animal was killed. We're just happy as heck to have something warm, tender, tasty, and covered in gravy upon our plates.

    Bon Appetite!
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    Why in the world are you guys placing this indiscretion on the same level as pedophilia?

    That's just NOT smart!

    What Vick did was less than beating the heck out of another human being. He caused no harm to another human being! People cause grave detriment to other people on a daily basis and many members of our society would agree with the harm imposed.

    What Vick did was reprehensible! However, it was not unforgiveable!

    Quite possibly, the best therapy for Vick and the rest of us, would be to allow him to begin showing affection to another being. Perhaps, if successful, he won't have to pay this insufferable debt of eternal social stigma.

    My GOD! Give the guy a break!

    Don't forget, animals are NOT on the same level as humans. We eat animals everyday! Most of us don't want to know how the animal was killed. We're just happy as heck to have something warm, tender, tasty, and covered in gravy upon our plates.

    Bon Appetite!
    Perhaps because it's more comparable than a speeding ticket?

    You can't teach people empathy. It can't be learned even as a child. No amount of being surrounded by cute cuddly puppies is going to change the fact that the only value Vick places in them is for his own amusement.

    And while I might enjoy a tasty steak, that doesn't change or negate the fact that I'm opposed to them being tortured to death for human entertainment. Vick isn't. There is a fundamental difference between us, no more breachable than the difference between a pedophile and someone with "normal" sexual preferences.
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