View Poll Results: Should Michael Vick be allowed to own a dog?

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  • Absolutely

    15 34.88%
  • No way

    14 32.56%
  • I don't care

    11 25.58%
  • He should get 2 wives and start a cat fight

    2 4.65%
  • He should learn to fly, but would he end up in a dogfight again?

    1 2.33%
  • He should marry a real bitch

    2 4.65%
  • He should eat all his meals with dogs, with Alpo as main course

    4 9.30%
  • He should get shot by Snoop Dogg

    5 11.63%
  • He should be given to Scooby Doo as a Scooby Snack

    5 11.63%
  • Bring him to DP, and let Blackdog kick his ass

    9 20.93%
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreReborn View Post
    At one point slaves were considered property what is your point? It is determined by society. Though I like having pets, you should treat them as a living being and not an object.
    No, it's determined mostly by nature. Slaves were humans, all humans have the same base set of abilities. While we had slaves, we eventually came to see that human is human and that all humans should be allowed to practice the same base set of rights. Dogs and the like are not humans. Not human is property. Slaves have the ability to rise up and make themselves not slaves. Animals do not.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    This is my point. Animals are not people. Comparing dog-fighting to child molestation is, IMO, ridiculous and shows how upside-down we are as a society.
    It's not ridiculous, it's just an analogy. Also, it's probably a way to try to frame the issue in such a way that folks who maybe aren't the most sympathetic to animals, can, at least, understand the argument against letting Vick keep dogs again.

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreReborn View Post
    Regardless of his sick intentions he still committed horrible atrocities to those animals. He should have no right to own an animal. All I hope is that when he was in prison he wasn't given any special treatment.
    When one has completed their punishment in full, they should have the full of their rights recognized once again.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Also, it's probably a way to try to frame the issue in such a way that folks who maybe aren't the most sympathetic to animals, can, at least, understand the argument against letting Vick keep dogs again.
    By making appeals to emotion? Sorry, it's logic or nothing for me. I'm not going to be swayed by improper comparison meant to raise emotional states.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    By making appeals to emotion? Sorry, it's logic or nothing for me. I'm not going to be swayed by improper comparison meant to raise emotional states.
    Well then, taking your other posts into consideration and looking at it logically, once a child molester has served his punishment, he "should have the full of [his] rights recognized once again", including the ability to open a day care if he wants, right?
    Last edited by X Factor; 12-19-10 at 11:28 AM.

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    Hey listen, most guys have done something in the past of which they are ashamed. It could be anything from participation in gang fights, jumping somebody, vandalism, inflicting pain upon another living being for pleasure, wife-beating (girlfriend-beating) slapping, theft, or whatever.
    Hate to burst your bubble, but "most guys" haven't done the things you list.

    Heck! We even get brainwashed into joining the military so that we can go into someone else's land to kill all of the available folks we see. However, when you get back home, if you try to do that same crap again after you get pissed at group of drunks cursing your name from across the street, they call it mass murder. You then don't get medals for heroism. You do however, get to go to prison for life!
    No. We don't get brainwashed so we can kill everybody we see.

    So life is full of twists turns and surprises. People can be rehabilitated believe it or not. People change daily. People switch political parties. People change their minds all of the time. We can go from radicals as adolescents to ultra-conservatives at the age of forty.
    Yes, they can be rehabilitated. And after he's served his sentence, he can own a dog. See how simple?

    When I was an adolescent, I did some pretty stupid things. Most of the bad things that I did involved vandalism. Some of the things that I did back then makes me shiver at how blatantly stupid they were. I would never do anything like that again. There are things that I've done at 13, that you couldn't pay me to do at 18 years of age. There are things that I've done at 18, that I would absolutely refuse to do at the age of 25 years. There are things that I did at 25, that I would feel quite stupid doing at the age of 40 years.
    Michael Vick cannot use the excuse of a mis-spent youth. He was full cooked when he tortured and killed his animals.

    I've known guys who've fought dogs before. They would usually end the conversation with, "Damn man! That's too bad about Bullet. That was a really good dog, though!" Eventually, they mature and they stop fighting dogs on their own. I think Vick, just like all the rest of those fools in the NFL. He just had too much money and too much time on his hands. When you add those features to a slice of immaturity and a slice of adventurism, you've got a pretty stupid-looking sandwich.
    Fighting dogs is animal cruelty of the very worst kind. People who do it are masochistic ***holes.

    It's not like Vick was convicted of child abuse or child molestation or something and now he wants to start a nursery school for kids.

    He most probably really does like dogs and just wants to prove to both himself and society, that he's not the monster the press portayed him to be.

    Let the man have a dog! His dog will most probably eat better than any of us do, today!
    Exceptions to every rule? His sentence says he can't own an animal until 2012. Serve the freakin' sentence!!!
    Last edited by MaggieD; 12-19-10 at 12:02 PM.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Nice dig at the military. Right up there with Obama's "air raiding villages and bombing civilians" comment.

    Do you even realize how many assumptions you're having to make in order to believe your ridiculous claim that Vick actually likes dogs?
    Better than your one colossal claim that he doesn't! Look the average big-city pound kills numerous amounts of dogs per day due to the irresponsibility of people not neutering or spaying their dogs.

    Why not give this guy a chance to both improve upon himself and prove to the world that he's has some good in him, afterall?

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Nice dig at the military. Right up there with Obama's "air raiding villages and bombing civilians" comment.

    Do you even realize how many assumptions you're having to make in order to believe your ridiculous claim that Vick actually likes dogs?
    Better than your one colossal claim that he doesn't!

    Look the average big-city pound kills numerous amounts of dogs per day due to the irresponsibility of people not neutering or spaying their dogs.

    Why not give this guy a chance to both improve upon himself and prove to the world that he's has some good in him, afterall?

    Let's not be so prudish!

    PS.

    I'll just bet you that he treats his next dog better than you treat the average debator within this forum!
    Last edited by Hancock; 12-19-10 at 12:07 PM.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well then, taking your other posts into consideration and looking at it logically, once a child molester has served his punishment, he "should have the full of [his] rights recognized once again", including the ability to open a day care if he wants, right?
    He is most certainly free to apply for a daycare license.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    Better than your one colossal claim that he doesn't! Look the average big-city pound kills numerous amounts of dogs per day due to the irresponsibility of people not neutering or spaying their dogs.

    Why not give this guy a chance to both improve upon himself and prove to the world that he's has some good in him, afterall?

    Let's not be so prudish!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    Better than your one colossal claim that he doesn't!

    *Look the average big-city pound kills numerous amounts of dogs per day due to the irresponsibility of people not neutering or spaying their dogs.

    Why not give this guy a chance to both improve upon himself and prove to the world that he's has some good in him, afterall?

    Let's not be so prudish!

    PS.

    I'll just bet you that he treats his next dog better than you treat the average debator within this forum!
    *
    From the Department of Redundancy Department

    To your point, my claim is supported by Vick's past actions, your assumptions are not. You know what the best predictor of future behavior is? Past behavior.
    Last edited by X Factor; 12-19-10 at 12:21 PM.

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