View Poll Results: Should Michael Vick be allowed to own a dog?

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  • Absolutely

    15 34.88%
  • No way

    14 32.56%
  • I don't care

    11 25.58%
  • He should get 2 wives and start a cat fight

    2 4.65%
  • He should learn to fly, but would he end up in a dogfight again?

    1 2.33%
  • He should marry a real bitch

    2 4.65%
  • He should eat all his meals with dogs, with Alpo as main course

    4 9.30%
  • He should get shot by Snoop Dogg

    5 11.63%
  • He should be given to Scooby Doo as a Scooby Snack

    5 11.63%
  • Bring him to DP, and let Blackdog kick his ass

    9 20.93%
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    Fighting cocks and dogs are very low-risk forms of entertainment that satisfies certain humans' thirst or quest for violence. While I don't personally endorse or ascribe to any form of this type of behavior, I do understand its roots.

    Vick should be allowd to have a dog! Why not?
    He will get to own dogs again after May 2012. But he is whining for that new puppy now.

    There are ways of putting a pet down with the least of suffering then there were the way Vick did it including drowning. Maybe things are different in your parts but I don't find anything entertaining about drowning a dog.

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    He will get to own dogs again after May 2012. But he is whining for that new puppy now.

    There are ways of putting a pet down with the least of suffering then there were the way Vick did it including drowning. Maybe things are different in your parts but I don't find anything entertaining about drowning a dog.
    Or electrocuting them

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by freedom-fighter View Post
    That's like letting a child molester live next to an elementary school, don't you think?
    No. Vick was not simply abusing animals for no apparent reason... there was potential for profit involved. As sick as dog fighting is, it doesn't equate to some kid burying a cat up to it's neck and running it over with a lawnmower. That is the true picture of animal abuse, because the abuse itself is the focal point and sole purpose. Vick doesn't fit that picture... because animal injury is a residual effect of fighting, which (if preventable) would be dealt with the same way humans (who have the capacity to prevent/reduce injury) issue gloves to boxers to prevent severe head trauma... as well as a system to determine a winner well-before death. Abusing dogs isn't the goal... making money is. Where this becomes fishy is with their methods of putting the animals down. That, to me is cruelty... but still the result of environment.

    So no, they're nothing like child molesters.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by E_Pluribus_Venom View Post
    No. Vick was not simply abusing animals for no apparent reason... there was potential for profit involved. As sick as dog fighting is, it doesn't equate to some kid burying a cat up to it's neck and running it over with a lawnmower. That is the true picture of animal abuse, because the abuse itself is the focal point and sole purpose. Vick doesn't fit that picture... because animal injury is a residual effect of fighting, which (if preventable) would be dealt with the same way humans (who have the capacity to prevent/reduce injury) issue gloves to boxers to prevent severe head trauma... as well as a system to determine a winner well-before death. Abusing dogs isn't the goal... making money is.

    So no, they're nothing like child molesters.
    Regardless of his sick intentions he still committed horrible atrocities to those animals. He should have no right to own an animal. All I hope is that when he was in prison he wasn't given any special treatment.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by E_Pluribus_Venom View Post
    No. Vick was not simply abusing animals for no apparent reason... there was potential for profit involved. As sick as dog fighting is, it doesn't equate to some kid burying a cat up to it's neck and running it over with a lawnmower. That is the true picture of animal abuse, because the abuse itself is the focal point and sole purpose. Vick doesn't fit that picture... because animal injury is a residual effect of fighting, which (if preventable) would be dealt with the same way humans (who have the capacity to prevent/reduce injury) issue gloves to boxers to prevent severe head trauma... as well as a system to determine a winner well-before death. Abusing dogs isn't the goal... making money is.

    So no, they're nothing like child molesters.
    Apparently you're not aware of everything Vick did to losing dogs. It was more than just the fighting (as if the fighting is just ok )).

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Apparently you're not aware of everything Vick did to losing dogs. It was more than just the fighting (as if the fighting is just ok )).
    Oh I am... I forgot to mention it in my original post, then edited it (around the time you posted the above quote). I would call those actions severe, unnecessary, and cruel... but I don't believe they stem from the type of condition apparent in people who abuse animals for pleasure. If they did, he'd have no reason to fight dogs... he'd just abuse them fresh off the trucks (or however the dogs were transported to his property). I believe the way losing/unable dogs were dealt with were a result of what he's been shown... and rehabilitation isn't an impossible task. Surely someone in his position should understand the backlash behind his sentiments, but I believe he could curtail some of it by allowing an organization like the humane society to make random visits to ensure proper care of the animal is being met.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreReborn View Post
    Regardless of his sick intentions he still committed horrible atrocities to those animals.
    I agree.

    Where we may disagree deals with his placement among animal abusers. I believe that (like other offenses) there should be degrees… and motive should be considered.

    • Those that abuse animals for pleasure/recreation/excitement/boredom/illegal research should receive penalty without the ability to own an animal in the future. (1st degree)

    • Those that abuse animals as a result of negligence (to include malnourishment) should receive penalty, rehabilitation, probationary period that determines how long they cannot own an animal, and randomized visits with tenure **in the event that they wish to purchase an animal in the future. (2nd degree)

    • Those that commit an act where animal abuse is an alternative result of the original action (sport/persistent or reoccuring rough housing/hazardous living conditions/man..err...mansbestfriendslaughter) should receive penalty with rehabilitation, probationary period that determines how long they cannot own an animal, and randomized visits with tenure **in the event that they wish to purchase an animal in the future. (3rd degree)

    The mental state of the convicted should be considered when it comes to determining whether or not the abuse of an animal stems from an inherent condition or the environment he/she grew up in… which could determine whether or not an offender deserves a 1st degree conviction. I don't view a kid who was molested (and made to believe the action is normal) and does so him/herself in the same light as someone who develops a condition on their own or of their own fetish. There are levels to a lot of things.

    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreReborn View Post
    He should have no right to own an animal.
    While I may or may not agree, I acknowledge that my opinion doesn't matter (with regard to law). Morally speaking, I also believe that judgment of character shouldn't be approached from a reductionist point of view. I haven't the expertise to cross-examine him to a degree that determines his state of mind... and how owning an animal from this point on would transpire. Therefore, to say outright that he shouldn't own one would be a premature and ignorant proclamation.

    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreReborn View Post
    All I hope is that when he was in prison he wasn't given any special treatment.
    I wouldn't hope for special treatment or maltreatment. Prison time is enough.
    Last edited by E_Pluribus_Venom; 12-19-10 at 04:35 AM.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Your lines are so oddly drawn. You put negligence above intentional actions with your second and third degree, uh, offenses. You know what makes me suspect about his so called rehabilitation? Because later he kept claiming he just made some bad mistakes. I really hate it when intentional crimes are referred to as mistakes. I think that's just a way to minimize responsibility.

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Your lines are so oddly drawn. You put negligence above intentional actions with your second and third degree, uh, offenses.
    Of course. As stated before, the focal point of dog fighting isn't cruelty, it's profit (the same way gambling on a boxing match isn't about injury, but making money). Cruelty is the side effect of dog fighting, where animal cruelty is the focal point behind actions like abuse for pleasure & negligence.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You know what makes me suspect about his so called rehabilitation? Because later he kept claiming he just made some bad mistakes. I really hate it when intentional crimes are referred to as mistakes. I think that's just a way to minimize responsibility.
    To claim you made mistakes isn't minimizing responsibility. I can intentionally commit an action and realize later the severity of those actions. To fully realize/understand the severity of an action means you won't commit it... and that can come with rehabititation. If an environment teaches me something from a youthful age... I'll adopt it. The same can be said for gang cultures.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by freedom-fighter View Post
    That's like letting a child molester live next to an elementary school, don't you think?
    No, not at all. It's completely different, child molesting will ALWAYS be worse than dog fighting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I find it disgusting how many die hard sports fans are willing to give Vick a pass over something this atrocious! It is like just cause he has "game" that all is forgiven..
    It's bad, but people should be given a second chance, and from everything I've heard of Vick, he seems to have learned his lesson, and is becoming a good role model for kids.
    Plus, he is exciting to watch
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