View Poll Results: Should Michael Vick be allowed to own a dog?

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  • Absolutely

    15 34.88%
  • No way

    14 32.56%
  • I don't care

    11 25.58%
  • He should get 2 wives and start a cat fight

    2 4.65%
  • He should learn to fly, but would he end up in a dogfight again?

    1 2.33%
  • He should marry a real bitch

    2 4.65%
  • He should eat all his meals with dogs, with Alpo as main course

    4 9.30%
  • He should get shot by Snoop Dogg

    5 11.63%
  • He should be given to Scooby Doo as a Scooby Snack

    5 11.63%
  • Bring him to DP, and let Blackdog kick his ass

    9 20.93%
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Thread: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    What kind of a moron would inject politics into this thread???

    Oh...wait...never mind...makes sense...

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    Kelzie, you said:

    I never claimed we were perfect. I also am aware that people makes mistakes. Vick did not make a mistake. A DUI is a mistake. Hell, murder can even be a mistake. Vick repeatedly and purposefully engaged in his behavior. To claim he made a mistake is about as logical as claiming a serial killer "accidently" murder 14 people

    I'm saying:

    That is the equivalent of saying Vick's mistake, "the mindless killing of innocent animals", is on par with, or is "as logical as claiming a serial killer accidentally murdered 14 people".

    I've already thoroughly explained human soundness of mind and rationality. As far as I'm concerned, all bets are off on that one!
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i know, right? i'm sending mike my resume.
    Theres probably a whole bunch of others in the sports realm that could use your help. Calling Mike Tyson...Terrel Owens...LeBron James...

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Do you know how an analogy works?
    With your logic, I was wondering the same about you...

    You simply can't talk about any accident or anything else related to the loss of human life, serial killing, or the murder of people. They are just too different and they're certainly not coplanar.

    It loads the question and places prejudicial inferences into the mind.

    There is no way that we are supposed to be introducing "serial killing" and "murder" of human beings, into this discussion as they are far too remote from being parallel to the plane of the killing of animals.

    Analogies work by using parallelisms...

    There's really no direct correspondence from the killing of animals to the "serial killing" or "murder of people". That's just too sensational and too far of a reach.

    Try Again!
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    With your logic, I was wondering the same about you...

    You simply can't talk about any accident or anything else related to the loss of human life, serial killing, or the murder of people. They are just too different and they're certainly not coplanar.

    It loads the question and places prejudicial inferences into the mind.

    There is no way that we are supposed to be introducing "serial killing" and "murder" of human beings, into this discussion as they are far too remote from being parallel to the plane of the killing of animals.

    Analogies work by using parallelisms...

    There's really no direct correspondence from the killing of animals to the "serial killing" or "murder of people". That's just too sensational and too far of a reach.

    Try Again!
    An analogy compares two DIFFERENT things for the purpose of highlighting a relationship. The very fact that I used an analogy means the two actions I compared are different.

    For instance, I could say that riding a bicycle is like learning to read; you never forget. That's an ANALOGY. Notice how the two things are completely different? It is only one aspect that is the same, in this instance how you never forget.

    So when people say what Vick did is LIKE what pedophiles or serial killers do, we're not saying they're the same. That wouldn't be an analogy. Instead, we are comparing one aspect of the crime. So for instance, when you insisted that poor little Vicky just made a mistake, I drew the analogy that he is more like a serial killer than someone who gets a DUI. A person who got a DUI made a mistake, it was a one time occurance. A serial killer exhibits a pattern of intentional behavior that can in no way be called a mistake, much like Vick did.

    I know it's confusing. I hope I've cleared things up a little.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    An analogy compares two DIFFERENT things for the purpose of highlighting a relationship. The very fact that I used an analogy means the two actions I compared are different.

    For instance, I could say that riding a bicycle is like learning to read; you never forget. That's an ANALOGY. Notice how the two things are completely different? It is only one aspect that is the same, in this instance how you never forget.

    So when people say what Vick did is LIKE what pedophiles or serial killers do, we're not saying they're the same. That wouldn't be an analogy. Instead, we are comparing one aspect of the crime. So for instance, when you insisted that poor little Vicky just made a mistake, I drew the analogy that he is more like a serial killer than someone who gets a DUI. A person who got a DUI made a mistake, it was a one time occurance. A serial killer exhibits a pattern of intentional behavior that can in no way be called a mistake, much like Vick did.

    I know it's confusing. I hope I've cleared things up a little.
    It's not just confusing, it's wrong! It's wrong to try to draw a simple colinear relationship between the murder of humans and the killing of animals. It's just an immoral act to do so. It's practically obscene!

    When anologies involve moral issues, one should use restraint and levity of thought before doing so. Your colinear thought or concept of not forgetting was great for issues irrelated to morality, because both reading and riding a bike are unforgetable skills when acquired. Both concepts intersect at that precise point of not forgetting and riding a bike is just as innocuous as reading a book.

    Just like we don't compare the mass killing of the buffalo to genocide, we don't compare the killing of a dog to murder. To do so, is inhumane and void of any sense of humanity at all. We're suppose to place ourselves as humans on a higher plateau. We sacrifice our external or environmental elements to preserve and maintain that of our own. There is no comparison and we don't speak of one concept in conjunction with another, there is no agreement between the two concepts of killing animals and murdering people.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    It's not just confusing, it's wrong! It's wrong to try to draw a simple colinear relationship between the murder of humans and the killing of animals. It's just an immoral act to do so. It's practically obscene!

    When anologies involve moral issues, one should use restraint and levity of thought before doing so. Your colinear thought or concept of not forgetting was great for issues irrelated to morality, because both reading and riding a bike are unforgetable skills when acquired. Both concepts intersect at that precise point of not forgetting and riding a bike is just as innocuous as reading a book.

    Just like we don't compare the mass killing of the buffalo to genocide, we don't compare the killing of a dog to murder. To do so, is inhumane and void of any sense of humanity at all. We're suppose to place ourselves as humans on a higher plateau. We sacrifice our external or environmental elements to preserve and maintain that of our own. There is no comparison and we don't speak of one concept in conjunction with another, there is no agreement between the two concepts of killing animals and murdering people.
    It's immoral?

    Instead of complaining about how inhumane I'm being, why don't you try to point out exactly what is wrong with my analogy. You know, with logic.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    This thread has started to reek of much Fail.

    I'm off to sort my socks...

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Keltzie, as I said earlier I know a guy who used to fight dogs when he was younger. He did it for a while in his 20's and then gave it up. If you ask him why he did it, his answer is along the lines of "I was young and dumb."

    He currently has three dogs, two little fuzzballs that stay indoors and a big dog that lives in the fenced back yard. Those dogs are like family to him. They get first-class dog food, they go to the vet at the slightest provocation, they're spoiled rotten. He loves those dogs almost as much as he loves his kids. He's a good guy.

    You don't have to be a psychopath or an evil person to have been involved in dog fighting. "Young and dumb" is an adequate explanation. People can get over it.
    Uh uh, don't buy it. I've never in my life, no matter how young I was, would have enjoyed watching dogs chew on each other or hearing them yelp in pain, and let's not forget about the use of bait dogs. What kind of mind does it take to take pleasure in that? I don't know your friend, but dismissing it with some glib remark about being young and dumb, to me, sounds like a real lack of regret for what he's done.

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Uh uh, don't buy it. I've never in my life, no matter how young I was, would have enjoyed watching dogs chew on each other or hearing them yelp in pain, and let's not forget about the use of bait dogs. What kind of mind does it take to take pleasure in that? I don't know your friend, but dismissing it with some glib remark about being young and dumb, to me, sounds like a real lack of regret for what he's done.
    I'm guessing you also didn't live in an environment where dog fighting was normalized.
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