View Poll Results: Should Michael Vick be allowed to own a dog?

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  • Absolutely

    15 34.88%
  • No way

    14 32.56%
  • I don't care

    11 25.58%
  • He should get 2 wives and start a cat fight

    2 4.65%
  • He should learn to fly, but would he end up in a dogfight again?

    1 2.33%
  • He should marry a real bitch

    2 4.65%
  • He should eat all his meals with dogs, with Alpo as main course

    4 9.30%
  • He should get shot by Snoop Dogg

    5 11.63%
  • He should be given to Scooby Doo as a Scooby Snack

    5 11.63%
  • Bring him to DP, and let Blackdog kick his ass

    9 20.93%
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Thread: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Of course I have. "Analogy is always suspect, because no analogy corresponds one-to-one with the subject" and so on.

    Still, the hoopla over this amazes me, and the way some people keep dragging comparisons to murderers and pedophiles into it is remarkable.
    Because some people insist that it was just a mistake. I also compared it to a DUI if it makes you feel better.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    Quite to the contrary!

    I've already stated, human beings do things that are extremely questionable, daily. Inventors usually make hundreds of errors before they actually produce a functional ptototype. When it comes to making a "sound" decision about entering the octagon with an MMA fighter fully capable of killing me with one blow, that would NOT be a rational decision! It doesn't matter that I can do the same to him because I have equivalent fighting skills. What matters, is that I could possibly miscalculate! I might make a mistake! I might get hit in the eye. My vision gets blurred. Next thing you know, I'm hooked up to some hospital respirator. Of course, it could go the other way. How much remorse or empathy would either of us have for the other?

    One of might get thought of in the passing of thoughts, but that about it! It's just not smart to place one's butt in harms way. It's not smart, it's not judicious, and it's certainly NOT rational.

    When you think about it, we as humans make far too many mistakes. Most of our mistakes involve some sort of calculated risk. We like to play the odds game. As for adults making sound decisions...I don't know...Is gambling sound or rational?

    PS.

    Once again, you cannot continue to place the killing of dogs on the same level as the killing of human beings!
    Now you have two things to prove. I'm still waiting for something, anything to suggest that rational adults are not capable of making their own decisions.

    I'd also like you to prove where I said the killing of dogs in on the same level as the killing of human beings. It seems a lot of people are getting confused over it.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    i would just like to know why vick's agent let him talk.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    So what did you do, break out the calculator and extrapolate on a graph?

    Point is, you don't know how many! So don't speculate or extrapolate, it just becomes numerical conjecture...
    They were at this for years. I'm betting the number is far more than 8.

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i would just like to know why vick's agent let him talk.
    I wouldn't be surprised if it was a much planned PR stunt. I think they just underestimated the amount of time it would take the public to "forgive" him.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if it was a much planned PR stunt. I think they just underestimated the amount of time it would take the public to "forgive" him.
    he's got a lousy agent then.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I studied it a little after a teacher sparked an interest. It's the major qualifier for being a psychopath: a lack of empathy. Everything I've read says it can't be taught, certainly not to an adult. There's some clinics working with children with mixed results. It'd be interesting to get Captain Courtesy on here to comment.
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    I'm not saying Vick is a full blown psychopath, only highlighting that there is no treatment for those that lack empathy.
    It depends on your viewpoint. If your vision of the disorder is one of physiological disorder, then you would believe it cant be changed. Its not that empathy cant be taught...its that empathy cant be taught to people that are so deeply entrenched in their defense mechanisms that they wont be. Most therapists wont work with Axis II people because the success rate is so poor. How do you reach a narcissist or anti-soc that believes the problem is everyone BUT them or that they are critically, fatally flawed? Those are some deeply ingrained barriers to change. How do you reach an anti-soc who has typically been taught since somewhere in their teen years that they ARE in fact a sociopath? Many of the methods used for 'teaching' sociopaths simply reinforce the belief system. In fact many justice systems still use the Samenow Methods which teach that in order for you to progress you have to essentially ACCEPT it is what you are.

    There ARE some effective means of reaching folks...but not through traditional psychotherapy. And it is by no means effective for all.

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i would just like to know why vick's agent let him talk.
    Or at least have given him some canned responses for taboo subjects.

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Or at least have given him some canned responses for taboo subjects.
    i know, right? i'm sending mike my resume.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Kelzie, you said:

    I never claimed we were perfect. I also am aware that people makes mistakes. Vick did not make a mistake. A DUI is a mistake. Hell, murder can even be a mistake. Vick repeatedly and purposefully engaged in his behavior. To claim he made a mistake is about as logical as claiming a serial killer "accidently" murder 14 people

    I'm saying:

    That is the equivalent of saying Vick's mistake, "the mindless killing of innocent animals", is on par with, or is "as logical as claiming a serial killer accidentally murdered 14 people".

    You simply can't place the killing of animals on the same plane with the killing of other people!

    I've already thoroughly explained my perspective on the human soundness of mind and rationality. As far as I'm concerned, all bets are off on that one!
    Last edited by Hancock; 12-20-10 at 05:24 PM.
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