View Poll Results: Should Michael Vick be allowed to own a dog?

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  • Absolutely

    15 34.88%
  • No way

    14 32.56%
  • I don't care

    11 25.58%
  • He should get 2 wives and start a cat fight

    2 4.65%
  • He should learn to fly, but would he end up in a dogfight again?

    1 2.33%
  • He should marry a real bitch

    2 4.65%
  • He should eat all his meals with dogs, with Alpo as main course

    4 9.30%
  • He should get shot by Snoop Dogg

    5 11.63%
  • He should be given to Scooby Doo as a Scooby Snack

    5 11.63%
  • Bring him to DP, and let Blackdog kick his ass

    9 20.93%
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    um...I guess the went right over your head
    I think that's a case of... is he laughing with me, or laughing at me

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I think that's a case of... is he laughing with me, or laughing at me
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    The choice to dogs in a dog fighting ring is to fight or die. Do you think those are the two choice that go through an MMA fighter's head?



    As for your ridiculous line of reasoning that rational adults aren't capable of making a decision, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask for proof. I have US law, centuries of tradition and psychological evaluations on my side. What do you have?

    I also have no problem killing animals, even dogs for food. What I do have a problem with is torturing them to death for entertainment. I am also completely convinced that anyone engaged in said torture cannot be rehabilitated.
    So therefore, I'm to assume what?

    That US laws haven't been crazy! ....That US traditions haven't been crazy!...That your psychological exams were perfect and that the people who designed them are perfect!

    Who has psychological exams anyway, besides the military? ...Was there ever any question?

    Kelzie, my point is that none of us are perfect. There is very little in human history that would suggest that we're anywhere close to being perfect when it comes to socio-political ideas. We're constantly making mistakes and then attempting to improve upon those mistakes. The problem is that there are far too many variables. The United States has made plenty of stupid laws on all levels of government. US tradition has been shaped by law and by culture. Culture includes customs as part of tradition. I just know we don't have to take the stupid walk down the lane of stupid traditions. We could start with burning witches, exterminating native Americans, killing up all the buffalo, manifest destiny, slavery, the entounment of Japanese Americans, etc...Wow! What a stupid walk that was and that was just and that was just a small portion of the trip...

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    So therefore, I'm to assume what?

    That US laws haven't been crazy! ....That US traditions haven't been crazy!...That your psychological exams were perfect and that the people who designed them are perfect!

    Who has psychological exams anyway, besides the military? ...Was there ever any question?

    Kelzie, my point is that none of us are perfect. There is very little in human history that would suggest that we're anywhere close to being perfect when it comes to socio-political ideas. We're constantly making mistakes and then attempting to improve upon those mistakes. The problem is that there are far too many variables. The United States has made plenty of stupid laws on all levels of government. US tradition has been shaped by law and by culture. Culture includes customs as part of tradition. I just know we don't have to take the stupid walk down the lane of stupid traditions. We could start with burning witches, exterminating native Americans, killing up all the buffalo, manifest destiny, slavery, the entounment of Japanese Americans, etc...Wow! What a stupid walk that was and that was just and that was just a small portion of the trip...

    How mentally sound you are?...I don't know... You appear to be fairly lucid to me...
    Your post did not adequately respond to mine. You claimed that rational adults are not capable of making decisions. Prove it.

    I never claimed we were perfect. I also am aware that people makes mistakes. Vick did not make a mistake. A DUI is a mistake. Hell, murder can even be a mistake. Vick repeatedly and purposefully engaged in his behavior. To claim he made a mistake is about as logical as claiming a serial killer "accidently" murder 14 people.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Once....okay.

    But to literaly kill thousands of dogs at your own hand, for many years, because they didn't "measure up" shows a serious character flaw at the least, and possibly a psychotic tendancy at the worst.

    How you could take a puppy that didn't have the "measureables" into your hands, grab it by the head, twist it until the neck snaps, and throw it in a pile of other dead puppies it beyond my comprehension.


    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Vick admitted to killing 8 himself. But his "ring" had been breeding and selectively weeding out the offspring of dogs for years.



    Ooooookay.... was it "thousands by his own hands", or was it 8? Big difference.
    As someone else pointed out, culling animals with undesired characteristics has been going on for thousands of years, and still goes on today.

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post

    I never claimed we were perfect. I also am aware that people makes mistakes. Vick did not make a mistake. A DUI is a mistake. Hell, murder can even be a mistake. Vick repeatedly and purposefully engaged in his behavior. To claim he made a mistake is about as logical as claiming a serial killer "accidently" murder 14 people.
    I have real issues with comparing dog fighting practices to killing humans. I'm sorry, but animals are animals. They deserve some consideration yes, but they're not people. Sometimes I think there would be less hoopla over Vick if he'd killed a human being. That is what disgusts me about this whole thing.

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I have real issues with comparing dog fighting practices to killing humans. I'm sorry, but animals are animals. They deserve some consideration yes, but they're not people. Sometimes I think there would be less hoopla over Vick if he'd killed a human being. That is what disgusts me about this whole thing.
    It's an analogy. I'm sure you've never used one in your whole life.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I have real issues with comparing dog fighting practices to killing humans. I'm sorry, but animals are animals. They deserve some consideration yes, but they're not people. Sometimes I think there would be less hoopla over Vick if he'd killed a human being. That is what disgusts me about this whole thing.
    The fallacy that you are drawing is that by people making comparisons they are necessarily equating them. You can make an argument with a comparison without implying that they are equal.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    It's an analogy. I'm sure you've never used one in your whole life.

    Of course I have. "Analogy is always suspect, because no analogy corresponds one-to-one with the subject" and so on.

    Still, the hoopla over this amazes me, and the way some people keep dragging comparisons to murderers and pedophiles into it is remarkable.

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Your post did not adequately respond to mine. You claimed that rational adults are not capable of making decisions. Prove it.

    I never claimed we were perfect. I also am aware that people makes mistakes. Vick did not make a mistake. A DUI is a mistake. Hell, murder can even be a mistake. Vick repeatedly and purposefully engaged in his behavior. To claim he made a mistake is about as logical as claiming a serial killer "accidently" murder 14 people.
    Quite to the contrary!

    I've already stated, human beings do things that are extremely questionable, daily. Inventors usually make hundreds of errors before they actually produce a functional ptototype. When it comes to making a "sound" decision about entering the octagon with an MMA fighter fully capable of killing me with one blow, that would NOT be a rational decision! It doesn't matter that I can do the same to him because I have equivalent fighting skills. What matters, is that I could possibly miscalculate! I might make a mistake! I might get hit in the eye. My vision gets blurred. Next thing you know, I'm hooked up to some hospital respirator. Of course, it could go the other way. How much remorse or empathy would either of us have for the other?

    One of might get thought of in the passing of thoughts, but that about it! It's just not smart to place one's butt in harms way. It's not smart, it's not judicious, and it's certainly NOT rational.

    When you think about it, we as humans make far too many mistakes. Most of our mistakes involve some sort of calculated risk. We like to play the odds game. As for adults making sound decisions...I don't know...Is gambling sound or rational?

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    Once again, you cannot continue to place the killing of dogs on the same level as the killing of human beings!
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