View Poll Results: Should Michael Vick be allowed to own a dog?

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  • Absolutely

    15 34.88%
  • No way

    14 32.56%
  • I don't care

    11 25.58%
  • He should get 2 wives and start a cat fight

    2 4.65%
  • He should learn to fly, but would he end up in a dogfight again?

    1 2.33%
  • He should marry a real bitch

    2 4.65%
  • He should eat all his meals with dogs, with Alpo as main course

    4 9.30%
  • He should get shot by Snoop Dogg

    5 11.63%
  • He should be given to Scooby Doo as a Scooby Snack

    5 11.63%
  • Bring him to DP, and let Blackdog kick his ass

    9 20.93%
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Thread: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    How long have you been eating dogs?
    You've never eaten dog meat before? You don't know what you are missing... not bad in a good sweet and sour sauce...
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    I think he should able to have a dog. It's not like if he buys a collie puppy he is going to train it to fight. What he did before was to train traditional fighting dogs to fight. I know it may be a shocker to you but he probably loves dogs. Get over it people.

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    The only time a person should inflict pain upon another or subject another to severe injury, should be at a time of emergency, when there no other options. Strictly for defensive purposes only! Otherwise, the people involved are not thinking clearly.

    For a person to voluntarily enter the ring with another person of equivalent destructive skills, for the purpose of intentional detriment, is irrational. Your opponent could deliver the most devastating blow to your head that you've ever encountered. As highly skilled as Ben Henderson is, he got caught with a kick to the head, that cost him the championship. That kick could just as well, have cost him his life or his ability to control his motor functions.

    Fighters take chances to become great so that they can earn more money. After you do it for awhile, it becomes your only employable skill. There's nothing else you can do to earn money (except to work at Kelzie's Hamburger joint).

    These fighters, fight for money. If not for immediate big money, it's for big money down the line. Otherwise, the risk exceeds the rewards in time. While you're young, you take the risk. If you're not so successful, you get out. It's a very quick game and a very dangerous game. All played for the money!

    : My last words on this side of the topic: You clearly don't understand fighters, if you think ALL fighters do it ONLY for the money. For instance, that doesn't explain amateur fighters at all, and lots of amateurs have no intrest in going pro.

    If ALL fighters ONLY did it for the money, there would be no UFC. Everybody would be in Boxing, because THAT is where the BIG money is.

    I know what my motives were for fighting. The money was secondary, when there was money involved at all. I wanted the challenge. I wanted to test myself. I wanted to be a bad-ass. I liked to fight. I enjoyed the feel of catching someone with a right hook and watching them keel over and kiss the canvas. I never expected to make a million dollars, and didn't really care much about the money. If I had I would have stuck to the officially-sanctioned boxing circuit.

    Are there some who are in it entirely for the money? Perhaps. But for most it is about a lot more than just prizes. You just flat-out don't understand fighters, clearly.

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    This is my point. Animals are not people. Comparing dog-fighting to child molestation is, IMO, ridiculous and shows how upside-down we are as a society.
    Nobody said that Animals are people. However....there are reasons why we don't put people back in the situations that created their crimes. I'm all for giving people, including some minor forms of child molestation second chances. However, what Vick did to those dogs was obscene and although he should be given a second shot at his life, he should never be put in a situation in which he could do harm to dogs ever again.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Nobody said that Animals are people. However....there are reasons why we don't put people back in the situations that created their crimes. I'm all for giving people, including some minor forms of child molestation second chances. However, what Vick did to those dogs was obscene and although he should be given a second shot at his life, he should never be put in a situation in which he could do harm to dogs ever again.
    WHAT!!!!!

    You mean you'd give a child molester a second chance at an actual child (an impressionable and developing human being), but you wouldn't give Vick a second chance with a freaking DOG!!!

    That's just straight bananas!
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Nobody said that Animals are people. However....there are reasons why we don't put people back in the situations that created their crimes. I'm all for giving people, including some minor forms of child molestation second chances. However, what Vick did to those dogs was obscene and although he should be given a second shot at his life, he should never be put in a situation in which he could do harm to dogs ever again.
    "Minor" forms of child molestation? What could that possibly be? No perv who's ever acted on his attraction to children should ever be allowed around children ever again.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    I have no idea what your last question is asking!
    The choice to dogs in a dog fighting ring is to fight or die. Do you think those are the two choice that go through an MMA fighter's head?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    First of all, you of all people should already know that just because you're 18 years old, that does NOT make you sound of mind. Besides, when you really examine the human species, who if any of us are really "sound of mind"... Human beings live by the unrelenting theme of veritable contradiction.

    So when an MMA fighter gets into the ring, do you really think that he has completely and rationally thought things out? Alternatively, perhaps he's just tossing the dice in hopes that he will get lucky. Based upon his self-believed skills and his possible prior successful triumphant fight record, he takes an educated guess and gambles that he will win. Most MMA fighters in particular, if given money NOT to fight, would prefer NOT to fight. It's the money that they're after, not the glory! It most certainly is not the glory, because the risk of getting your clock cleaned is NOT worth all the glory in the world...

    Let's not forget, people eat animals! In some countries people eat dogs, cats, and chickens. I would much prefer that a dog, a cat, or perhaps a chicken lose its life, as opposed to another human being becoming injured. When that MMA fighter gets into the ring, has he really thought the situation out completely? Has he really been that rational human being? I think NOT!

    He has not considered the possibility of suffering trauma to the brain. Enough trauma will render anyone brain dead. Minor trauma over extended periods of time can cause permanent damage, as well... ie Muhammed Ali.

    I personally would order the killing of millions of dogs, if I could save the life, limb, or quality of life for just one human being.

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    Where did you get the idea that anybody can find a job?

    People are now lining up by the hundreds just to work for Walmart and Burger King!
    As for your ridiculous line of reasoning that rational adults aren't capable of making a decision, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask for proof. I have US law, centuries of tradition and psychological evaluations on my side. What do you have?

    I also have no problem killing animals, even dogs for food. What I do have a problem with is torturing them to death for entertainment. I am also completely convinced that anyone engaged in said torture cannot be rehabilitated.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    I think he should able to have a dog. It's not like if he buys a collie puppy he is going to train it to fight. What he did before was to train traditional fighting dogs to fight. I know it may be a shocker to you but he probably loves dogs. Get over it people.
    Really? The man who loves dogs fought them to death? Oh, please do explain your logic on this one.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Late to the thread but my choice as a dog owner, is NO WAY! He gave up that privilege.


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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    : My last words on this side of the topic: You clearly don't understand fighters, if you think ALL fighters do it ONLY for the money. For instance, that doesn't explain amateur fighters at all, and lots of amateurs have no intrest in going pro.

    If ALL fighters ONLY did it for the money, there would be no UFC. Everybody would be in Boxing, because THAT is where the BIG money is.

    I know what my motives were for fighting. The money was secondary, when there was money involved at all. I wanted the challenge. I wanted to test myself. I wanted to be a bad-ass. I liked to fight. I enjoyed the feel of catching someone with a right hook and watching them keel over and kiss the canvas. I never expected to make a million dollars, and didn't really care much about the money. If I had I would have stuck to the officially-sanctioned boxing circuit.

    Are there some who are in it entirely for the money? Perhaps. But for most it is about a lot more than just prizes. You just flat-out don't understand fighters, clearly.
    Hey there Buddy!

    Believe it or not, we're on the same side. Yes, people do have egos and want to have them embellished. There have been people who have quit promising careers, just to join the MMA. However, the people who quit those careers all did the math, first. They felt that they were excellent at some form of fighting and all they had to do was to get their ground game together, and they could make a mint in the UFC. OR- All they had to do was to get the boxing skills together, and they could make a mint in the UFC.

    Haven't you heard this story like about a thousand times already!

    Yes! You're right! Amateur fighters are usually young fighters who dream of becoming pro one day. There are amateur fighters who got into it, just for the training and the love of the sport who do other things professionally. Most amateurs, don't remain amateurs for too long because there's no reward in it. Even if you're good, everybody gets their clock clean at least once. Getting your clock cleaned that one time is usually a wake up call for the wise. Some just can't believe it and they want to schedule a bunch of fights as soon as possible. The very next time, that second time that they get their clock cleaned is usually the final wake up call and you begin to see a lack of that high level of enthusiasm, they once had. The scheduling of fights are one thing but the actual training is another, suddenly they don't want to put in the work anymore. Eventually, they just stop showing up.

    Amateurs are usually soon to be professionals, if they're serious. If they get their clocks clean, then so what? They just keep training and getting better. They are tenacious and relentless. Why? They feel that they have an innate edge. They feel that deep down inside, they can beat most people. Afterall, they've most probably been bullies and are used to being winners, anyway. That or they've always known they could knock just about anybody out with their right hand. They have that magic somewhere! They're Not going to college and were lucky if they just made it out of high school. I've never heard any real fighter say that money wasn't in their plan somewhere down the line.

    I've heard many say that they'll be glad if and when they could get out of the fight game...

    Many fighters have felt trapped and they've wanted OUT! They would say things like, "Ok after this next fight, I want to fight so and so...That way after fighting so and so, and we win, we could schedule a fight with SOME BIG NAME and I could get paid and get out!"
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