View Poll Results: Should Michael Vick be allowed to own a dog?

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  • Absolutely

    15 34.88%
  • No way

    14 32.56%
  • I don't care

    11 25.58%
  • He should get 2 wives and start a cat fight

    2 4.65%
  • He should learn to fly, but would he end up in a dogfight again?

    1 2.33%
  • He should marry a real bitch

    2 4.65%
  • He should eat all his meals with dogs, with Alpo as main course

    4 9.30%
  • He should get shot by Snoop Dogg

    5 11.63%
  • He should be given to Scooby Doo as a Scooby Snack

    5 11.63%
  • Bring him to DP, and let Blackdog kick his ass

    9 20.93%
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Thread: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by tsla View Post
    But if he must quench his thirst for violence, and he did so in the past by seeing dog fights, then why should he get a dog then?
    Also, just re-stating what Kelzie said, MMA fighters fight because they want too, and dogs are killed for sport. Would you want to under the care of someone who tried to kill you?
    Don't be so easily fooled. Most MMA fighters don't fight because they want to! Most boxers don't box because they want to! They fight because there's a purse invovled. THEY FIGHT FOR MONEY!!!!
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    I didn't say ALL, I said "Many"...
    Then your comparison of MMA to dog fighting is a complete fail and we get back to my original point, MMA fighters choose this for themselves, dogs do not.

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by tsla View Post
    I would agree that there are routes that you must do in order to survive, but these dogs were put onto a route where they couldn't survive. Therefore, from that logic, those animals still had no control over their lives because the end result was death. Humans have say in how they live because they could be an engineer or a chemist if they wanted to, or a garbage collector or a banker, etc.
    Where did you get the idea that you can be whatever you want. Some people are afforded the opportunity to be whatever they want.

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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, it's determined mostly by nature. Slaves were humans, all humans have the same base set of abilities. While we had slaves, we eventually came to see that human is human and that all humans should be allowed to practice the same base set of rights. Dogs and the like are not humans. Not human is property. Slaves have the ability to rise up and make themselves not slaves. Animals do not.
    Though I agree that human life is more important then animal life, I highly disagree in saying they are property. They are living beings with the ability to think. They are not inanimate objects and should not be treated as such.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Then your comparison of MMA to dog fighting is a complete fail and we get back to my original point, MMA fighters choose this for themselves, dogs do not.
    Most fighters choose the MMA because its their only way out! Not because they relish the idea of cleaning someone's clock. They're at least rational enough to know that they run the risk of getting their own clocks cleaned too!

    Trust me, it's the MONEY!

    You guys have to realize that just like the dogs didn't choose to fight. Most MMA fighters would much prefer to do something else, other than run the risk of suffering permanent brain damage.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    Most fighters choose the MMA because its their only way out! Not because they relish the idea of cleaning someone's clock. They're at least rational enough to know that they run the risk of getting their own clocks cleaned too!

    Trust me, it's the MONEY!

    You guys have to realize that just like the dogs didn't choose to fight. Most MMA fighters would much prefer to do something else, other than run the risk of suffering permanent brain damage.
    Do you even have the first clue what you are talking about? There are literally MILLIONS of people that engage in amatuer level MMA schools, training, and local events. The do it for the fun of it (twisted as that may be). You might want to look in a local phone book and go to a few of the training gyms. You will find men AND women training and fighting because they LIKE it.

    Edit: Major universities have for DECADES sponsored amateur boxing matches, amateurs train and fight and spar with no plan of ever going beyond the amateur ranks. We do it because we LIKE it. Not that we like to pummel people to oblivion but we like the sport, the exercise, the challenge, and the comraderie.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    I think that saying MMA fighters are rational adults is going just a bit too far. Who among any of us really deserves that high an honor. People do contradictory things almost constantly.

    To the contrary! The analogy is perfect!
    How on earth is it going too far? They are over the age of 18 and of sound mind. They are able to consent getting into a ring and getting the **** kicked out of them. If you're really going to question that, your logic is so far out there that there's not much point in debating.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    No Vick isn't an MMA fighter, but he is a football player. Football is predicated upon the presumption of violence. The MMA events are also based upon the same crux of ferocity. That very same thirst that get quenched when see football and the MMA, is the same type of violent thirst that gets quenched when people like Vick, see dog fights.
    And Vick, like the MMA fighters, also gets to choose if he will play football or not. However, not only are there laws that make what Vick did ILLEGAL, but in a basic appeal to humanity, it is wrong to force those who have no choice to fight to the death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    MMA fighters would not become MMA fighters if they were independently wealthy. Poverty, streetlife, and the ghetto, serves as the ultimate impetus to fight. It's just that they're good at it and they prefer to use it exclusively as the singular tool to pry themselves out of poverty. Most feel as though they didn't have much of a choice. The fighters receive praise from their promoters, fans, and friends when they win. When they lose, promoters begin to turn away, their fan base erodes, and friends and relatives tend to stay in touch as long as you have money. Once your money is gone and you've pretty much faded as a fighter, then you lose your friends and your relatives ridicule you for foolish spending and faded skills. Many ex-fighters fallen on their luck must be reminded that suicide is NOT an option.

    Dogs who lose either get severely injured or killed.

    Yeah! I can definitely see the analogy there, for sure!
    You're being ridiculous. They have a choice. They can flip burgers for all I care. Everyone else in America manages to find a job, they can too. However, dogs do not have a choice. They fight or they are killed. Are you really saying those are the choice available to MMA fighters?
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Originally Posted by Ikari
    No, it's determined mostly by nature. Slaves were humans, all humans have the same base set of abilities. While we had slaves, we eventually came to see that human is human and that all humans should be allowed to practice the same base set of rights. Dogs and the like are not humans. Not human is property. Slaves have the ability to rise up and make themselves not slaves. Animals do not.
    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreReborn View Post
    Though I agree that human life is more important then animal life, I highly disagree in saying they are property. They are living beings with the ability to think. They are not inanimate objects and should not be treated as such.
    Animals also have the ability to rise up and make themselves not slaves... Even if somebody tries to argue that people have an inalienable right to self protection/bear arms, it is a lot harder to take a bears arms off a bear. lol.. If angered animals can F us up, if they really want... and you have to have a really powerful gun to kill big game. You can't kill a bear or tiger it with a little pistol. Don't be arrogant and think it's only our world only and they serve us.. Animals and other life play a significant role in our ecosystem, and we are interdependent on them and each other.. If certain life starts dying out or others take over the ecosystem, then we will be feeling much more like slaves trying to adapt and feed everybody..
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Animals also have the ability to rise up and make themselves not slaves... Even if somebody tries to argue that people have an inalienable right to self protection/bear arms, it is a lot harder to take a bears arms off a bear. lol.. If angered animals can F us up, if they really want... and you have to have a really powerful gun to kill big game. You can't kill a bear or tiger it with a little pistol. Don't be arrogant and think it's only our world only and they serve us.. Animals and other life play a significant role in our ecosystem, and we are interdependent on them and each other.. If certain life starts dying out or others take over the ecosystem, then we will be feeling much more like slaves trying to adapt and feed everybody..
    Man was able to hunt Mammoths before guns. Guns make it easier; but there's also tactics and understanding of animals and their habits. Animals are not on the same level as humans. We may feel this or that for certain creatures; but in the end we do treat them like property. And they are a type of property in all legal sense.
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    Re: Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreReborn View Post
    Though I agree that human life is more important then animal life, I highly disagree in saying they are property. They are living beings with the ability to think. They are not inanimate objects and should not be treated as such.
    You may not agree that animals are nothing more than personal property, but that's what the law says.

    I don't agree with it either, but that's the way it is...all 50 states.
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