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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL most European governments are CONSERVATIVE.... how about yous tart with a thing called facts. before throwing the usual American slurs about Europe?
    Conservative by European standards, perhaps, but that doesn't mean much in the real world.

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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

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    Which only demonstrates once again that "the poor" cannot rely on "the rich".

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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

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    Europeans, with their ancient ideas of class distinctions, still talk in terms of "economic elites", and I see an attempt being made by this present US administration at introducing these attitudes into the United States. It should be resisted at all costs.
    Seriously what plant do you live on? Class distinctions are first off not European but based in human history going back to the time we were apes.

    Secondly, class distinction was far more important in China and India (even today) and other places outside Europe, than it in many ways was in Europe, especially the last 200 years.

    Thirdly, the US is just as "class divided" if not more than most European nations today. And like it or not, people do act and treat you differently depending on if you are a bum on the street or in the same tax bracket as Bill Gates.

    And the whole "class" distinction is a by product of 5000 years of conservative rule. Landowners and serfs, rich and poor, man and woman.. black and white.. all relates to the basic nature of humanity that was cultured for 5000 years by kings and queens and warlords and other rich people over a poor population. Even when these masses started to rise up and demand equal rights, the ruling class banded together in the "conservative movement" to maintain the status quo as much as possible. They used the existing government apparatus which they were in control of to hit down on "new" parties and political ideas like socialism. Only after the fall of the Russian Zar, did conservative movements across the world realize, that they better start listening to the people or face a similar consequence.

    But like it or not, class distinction still exists today everywhere in one way or another and US is no better (if not worse)...
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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Conservative by European standards, perhaps, but that doesn't mean much in the real world.
    HAHHAHHAHAHHA.. talk about be deluded.. European conservatives are like all other conservatives world wide EXCEPT the American variant. And no the world does not revolve around the US and how it defines political parties or classes.
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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL most European governments are CONSERVATIVE.... how about yous tart with a thing called facts. before throwing the usual American slurs about Europe?
    European conservatives aren't conservative by American standards. They're weaklings who play on the field marked out by the Euro Left.

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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    HAHHAHHAHAHHA.. talk about be deluded.. European conservatives are like all other conservatives world wide EXCEPT the American variant. And no the world does not revolve around the US and how it defines political parties or classes.
    Don't care what the world does. We only care about America. You must care about America too. Otherwise you wouldn't be here.

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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Seriously what plant do you live on? Class distinctions are first off not European but based in human history going back to the time we were apes.
    I was defining class distinctions as we know them, not based on what apes did or some lost tribes of New Guinea. There is no doubt status in wealth but in Europe that long ago evolved into who you were born too, with that not being the case in the New World. Here there is more emphasis placed on individual achievement rather than how closely you might be related to the Royal Families.

    Secondly, class distinction was far more important in China and India (even today) and other places outside Europe, than it in many ways was in Europe, especially the last 200 years.
    And when the subject is India or China then you might want to give that a mention. But as you can see by the heading of the thread, such is not yet the case.
    Thirdly, the US is just as "class divided" if not more than most European nations today.
    Nonsense.
    And like it or not, people do act and treat you differently depending on if you are a bum on the street or in the same tax bracket as Bill Gates.
    Quite right. In fact they will treat you differently if you are middle class rather than a bum on the street.

    And the whole "class" distinction is a by product of 5000 years of conservative rule.
    And how do you define "conservative"? Balanced budgets?
    Landowners and serfs, rich and poor, man and woman.. black and white.. all relates to the basic nature of humanity that was cultured for 5000 years by kings and queens and warlords and other rich people over a poor population.
    Right. Now we're back in Europe again.

    Even when these masses started to rise up and demand equal rights, the ruling class banded together in the "conservative movement" to maintain the status quo as much as possible.
    And the Magna Carta of 1215 served as a catalyst for this change, and that same Great Charter served as inspiration for the laws and rights in the New World.

    They used the existing government apparatus which they were in control of to hit down on "new" parties and political ideas like socialism.
    You feel Europe doesn't have enough Socialism as it is? What more would you want socialized? Where is the ideal Socialist country? Does it exist?

    Only after the fall of the Russian Zar, did conservative movements across the world realize, that they better start listening to the people or face a similar consequence.
    So you feel that human rights only blossomed after the fall of the Russian Czar? And continued until when? 1989?
    But like it or not, class distinction still exists today everywhere in one way or another and US is no better (if not worse)...
    The United States is much, much better than most countries, as is New Zealand, Canada and Australia.

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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    European conservatives aren't conservative by American standards. They're weaklings who play on the field marked out by the Euro Left.
    Euro Cons arent weaklings, a weakling doesnt fight a weakling only runs. Euro-cons are in reality two bit punks, they only fight when they have the advantage and even then when their target steps up to them they cowar like pussies.
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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Euro Cons arent weaklings, a weakling doesnt fight a weakling only runs. Euro-cons are in reality two bit punks, they only fight when they have the advantage and even then when their target steps up to them they cowar like pussies.
    And "their target", I assume, are those who want their money. Is that correct?

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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Dont worry.. American's dont have the balls to demonstrate against the government.
    Funny how you didn't say that when bashing the Tea Party.
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