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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Regardless if it is violent protest or a peaceful protest it still looks like spoiled rotten ungrateful children throwing a tantrum.
    How so? The Greek people were lied to for a decade by right wing governments and are now being asked to pay for the miss-deads of said government while the bankers, who helped the right wing government with the debt building go scot free...... I would be royally pissed if that happened in Denmark. Hell I am wondering why American's are not out demanding the heads of their bankers and financial institutions since it was their fault in large part that the US is in the hole it is in now... but what happens instead.. nothing, business as usual and you are pushing the problem ahead of you for now. Zero protests by Americans..and no the Tea Party movement is not a protest movement.. it is a new right wing movement with the same old tired ideas that only want one thing.. power and money.. solutions come last.

    Most protest in Europe are bound to the fact that the governments that are putting in austerity measures (unlike in the US) are more than often targeting the middle and less well off instead of the banks and the rich. Take the UK changes in the university tuition.. it has long been a conservative idea, and does nothing what so ever to help the less well off gaining a higher education. It basically will make the UK "dumber" and expand yet again the class divides that have been shrinking for generations.

    The only positive thing I can say about the European politicians that lead us into the situation, is that many of them admit their wrong doing and do want to target the banking industry. The Irish have banned bonuses in their banks for now.. good for them.
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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Nobody should like austerity, seeing as how it is the economic elite's way of getting the poor to pay for their f-ups.
    Well one would expect so after the poor lent billions of dollars to people who couldn't pay it back, then got billion of dollars in bailouts from the taxpayer whereas support for the banks was cut on a huge scale. Despite the fact that the poor pay little or no taxes due to their use of ofshore tax havens .......No wait it was the other way round
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    This is what happens when you allow yourself to be dependent on the government.

    Remember the folks that thought Obama was going to buy them a house? This mentality is real out there.

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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    How so?

    No one has the right to make you more me pay for their most or all of their education,health care or retirement. Taxes at most should fund he basics like infrastructure, military, law enforcement, at most k-12 education, and a few other things. So that eurotrash college kid should be extremely grateful that others are helping to pay for part of his college,health care or other **** instead of acting like typical eurotrash acting like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum.




    The Greek people were lied to for a decade by right wing governments and are now being asked to pay for the miss-deads of said government while the bankers, who helped the right wing government with the debt building go scot free...... I would be royally pissed if that happened in Denmark.

    Regardless of how that government got into debt, no one owes anyone a free or a reduced education,free health or early retirement.

    Hell I am wondering why American's are not out demanding the heads of their bankers and financial institutions since it was their fault in large part that the US is in the hole it is in now.
    I believe a lot of Americans including myself were against the bail outs due to the fact a business should fail or succeed on its own with little government interference.



    but what happens instead.
    Politicians who claimed to be capitalists supported the bailouts.

    Most protest in Europe are bound to the fact that the governments that are putting in austerity measures (unlike in the US) are more than often targeting the middle and less well off instead of the banks and the rich.
    Don't the rich pay for their own education,health care and own retirement? And isn't it the rich that paying for you to have those things?



    The only positive thing I can say about the European politicians that lead us into the situation, is that many of them admit their wrong doing and do want to target the banking industry. The Irish have banned bonuses in their banks for now.. good for them.
    In America we do not believe in limiting how much a company may pay someone.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This is what happens when you allow yourself to be dependent on the government.

    Remember the folks that thought Obama was going to buy them a house? This mentality is real out there.
    Was the Greek welfare system even that generous? I would be interested to here your analysis of it
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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Dont worry.. American's dont have the balls to demonstrate against the government. Not to mention the US has not cut spending in generations.... And for the record.. the Greeks got into this trouble thanks to a right wing government.. UPS!
    I don't agree with this.

    A lot of people in a protest like this are young people that don't know any better or even know why they are there.

    They have nothing better to do and they want to be part of something.

    I can see it happening in the US as well.

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    FT.com / Brussels / Finance & Markets - EU leaders back new bail-out system

    it's all those lying right wing govt's, from the atlantic to the urals

    LOL!

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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hardly....Let's see, 30 years ago I was 18 yrs old and barely even concerned with politics. But I think if you were to do an honest assessment of spending in this country liberals far outweigh the destructive spending that has gone on.


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    That's not obvious from following the votes. For example, Medicare has always been a bipartisan program. Nobody wants it on their portfolio that they voted against old people. Sentimental culture, plus old people are a large voting demographic.

    There's not a single truly costly program that can be attributed entirely to liberals.
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    Re: Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    There's not a single truly costly program that can be attributed entirely to liberals.
    it's true that social security and medicare, as well as lbj's civil rights act, enjoyed substantial gop support

    it is obama's failure that he resorted to cramming his obamacare, using senate reconciliation, you recall, commonly called the nuke option

    while it may be true that those earlier mega-reforms are not entirely the responsibility of liberals, it may be fair to attribute them all to liberalism

    why run away from em, just because obama's own debt commission called out their need for MASSIVE repair?

    germany shows the way, the only way out (from the reuters link above):

    By the time Germany passed its Agenda 2010 reform package in 2003, the country had been suffering from double-digit unemployment and mostly anemic growth for a decade. The reforms included draconian cuts in pensions and unemployment benefits, increased labor flexibility and wage cuts.

    Harm Bandholz's Munich-based colleague Andreas Rees is UniCredit's chief German economist and says that the country's road to recovery from being the "sick man of Europe" has been anything but easy.

    "The road to higher GDP growth was long and hard," he said. "It involved cutting wage costs for about 10 years and consumer expenditures have simply been a disaster."

    "We've been through massive uncertainty and for many Germans it was a really painful period."

    The reforms also resulted in the formation of the new Left socialist party, altering Germany's political landscape.

    But thanks to the country's more flexible work force and "also partly good luck" in the form of demand from China for quality manufactured products, Rees said the "reforms have clearly paid off."

    Driven by its manufacturing sector, the German economy is expected to grow by anywhere up to 3.7 percent in 2010, while unemployment fell to an 18-year low of 7.5 percent in October. Rees said he is upbeat about future consumer spending. But even seven years after reforms began, Rees said they are not over.

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