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Greek police clash with anti-austerity protesters

The Prof said:
that's very revealing, please continue

exactly what should be done to whom?
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No police officer in Greece or Britain should be able to catch a wink of sleep until these measures are overturned, the protests should be so constant and unruly. Riots, if necessary.

We've seen it with our own civil rights movement. The only way to force change is to make people afraid of you.
 
Patria Antiqua said:
No police officer in Greece or Britain should be able to catch a wink of sleep until these measures are overturned, the protests should be so constant and unruly. Riots, if necessary.

We've seen it with our own civil rights movement. The only way to force change is to make people afraid of you.
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That make me think of the man who murdered Theo Van Gogh. Violence can be used to make people afraid of you so that they don't do things you dislike. It's a form of behavior modification. Is that what you mean?
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
That make me think of the man who murdered Theo Van Gogh. Violence can be used to make people afraid of you so that they don't do things you dislike. It's a form of behavior modification. Is that what you mean?
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Mohammed Bouyeri is a murderer and a thug who belongs to the 10th century or the 14th. I'm not talking about murder.

Otherwise, violent protest is a form of behavior modification.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Nobody should like austerity, seeing as how it is the economic elite's way of getting the poor to pay for their f-ups.
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This.
In a nutshell.

In UK, we Brits should expect nothing that isn't happening.
Conservatives are renowned for not giving two ****s about those who are not wealthy and punishing the most vulnerable in our society and protecting the rich. It is what makes Conservatives Tories :shrug:
 
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Greece screwed up by taxing the bejesus out of the rich to support the poor. Result? Incredible amount of tax cheating by the rich....
Tax collectors resorted to satellite pics to count the pools the rich have, and noted that some of the rich claimed income that was less than their utility bills...
 
Patria Antiqua said:
No police officer in Greece or Britain should be able to catch a wink of sleep until these measures are overturned
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what will happen when the gendarmes nod?
 
PeteEU said:
And where were you the last 30 years then? Where were you during the last decade when your national debt doubled?
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Well, at least part of it was on vacation in your area there in Spain. Beautiful area. Too bad it was littered on the way into town with tent cities, and while getting dinner at night littered with begging children.

You know Pete, best you don't throw stones while your own glass house sits on the edge of the cliff, and we in the us are feeding you aid.

(AP) Fitch Ratings cut Spain's credit rating on Friday, saying the government's efforts to reduce debt will weigh on economic growth in coming months - another blow to Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero's efforts to shore up confidence in state finances.

The ratings agency cut the country's rating one notch from AAA to AA plus, saying Zapatero's efforts to close the budget deficit "will materially reduce the rate of growth of the Spanish economy over the medium term."

The ratings agency decision echoes concerns from economists that efforts to cut state debt will also withdraw stimulus from the economy and hinder growth. Lower growth in turn means gathering less in tax revenues.

Spain currently has an unemployment rate of 20 percent and is struggling with large deficits and the hangover from a collapsed housing and real estate boom like that in the U.S.

Amid Financial Crisis, Spain's Credit Rating Cut - CBS News
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j-mac
 
PeteEU said:
Yea yea.. and where were those "prinicples" during the last 30 years under Republican administrations and/or Republican controlled congress? No where.. they spent like drunken sailors and make "Euros" look like amateurs.
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drunken sailors are spending their own money....
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Nobody should like austerity, seeing as how it is the economic elite's way of getting the poor to pay for their f-ups.
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Europeans, with their ancient ideas of class distinctions, still talk in terms of "economic elites", and I see an attempt being made by this present US administration at introducing these attitudes into the United States. It should be resisted at all costs.

No members of society should be demonized because they are rich, poor, or middle class, though indeed these fashions rise and fall. The poor had their turn also.

And in every case of this demonization process there was always some politician or political party encouraging these class distinctions in order to further their own political agendas or self advancement. They must be recognized for the political opportunists, and scoundrels, that they are.
 
Patria Antiqua said:
Mohammed Bouyeri is a murderer and a thug who belongs to the 10th century or the 14th. I'm not talking about murder.

Otherwise, violent protest is a form of behavior modification.
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That case was one of "violent protest", wasn't it?, and it certainly modified the bahaviour of many who were considering criticism of Islam.

How far does your idea of "violent protest" extend?
 
Patria Antiqua said:
My only hope is that the violence in these countries increases until the measures are reversed in their entirety, or until the governments are overthrown.

Whichever comes first.
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Right. The governments should just print more money.

That should work.
 
Laila said:
This.
In a nutshell.

In UK, we Brits should expect nothing that isn't happening.
Conservatives are renowned for not giving two ****s about those who are not wealthy and punishing the most vulnerable in our society and protecting the rich. It is what makes Conservatives Tories :shrug:
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The big mistake was expecting the government to be all things to all people and that they could look after all your problems.

How Europeans, with their checkered histories, could possibly trust government is a bafflement known only to them, but one they might possibility share in order that other countries not make their mistakes.

Can any European who trusted their governments to look after them explain why they did so?

Was it the charisma of the leader? The idea planted by ambitious politicians that government programs were not only just, but that they were affordable and, as a plus, would make everyone more prosperous?

Why do Europeans still put trust in their governments and not each other or themselves.? Can any European explain this conundrum? Do they avoid history in the public education systems over there?
 
UtahBill said:
Greece screwed up by taxing the bejesus out of the rich to support the poor. Result? Incredible amount of tax cheating by the rich....
Tax collectors resorted to satellite pics to count the pools the rich have, and noted that some of the rich claimed income that was less than their utility bills...
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Which only demonstrates once again that "the poor" cannot rely on "the rich".

If anyone is foolish enough to rely on "the rich" to advance themselves in the world then they are destined to remain poor and to die poor.

Envy and resentment has never helped anyone rise out of their circumstances,
 
chevydriver1123 said:
The only positive I see is that European Socialists and European Government Thugs are killing each other.
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LOL most European governments are CONSERVATIVE.... how about yous tart with a thing called facts. before throwing the usual American slurs about Europe?
 
Grant said:
Europeans, with their ancient ideas of class distinctions, still talk in terms of "economic elites", and I see an attempt being made by this present US administration at introducing these attitudes into the United States. It should be resisted at all costs.

No members of society should be demonized because they are rich, poor, or middle class, though indeed these fashions rise and fall. The poor had their turn also.

And in every case of this demonization process there was always some politician or political party encouraging these class distinctions in order to further their own political agendas or self advancement. They must be recognized for the political opportunists, and scoundrels, that they are.
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Whether you would like to acknowledge it or not there is a class system in the US based on economics.

In modern, capitalistic societies: Income and wealth as major factors assigning one to a specific place in the hierarchy.
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Source

See specifically in the link the "Class in the USA" segment.
 
PeteEU said:
LOL most European governments are CONSERVATIVE.... how about yous tart with a thing called facts. before throwing the usual American slurs about Europe?
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Conservative by European standards, perhaps, but that doesn't mean much in the real world.
 
Grant said:
Which only demonstrates once again that "the poor" cannot rely on "the rich".

If anyone is foolish enough to rely on "the rich" to advance themselves in the world then they are destined to remain poor and to die poor.

Envy and resentment has never helped anyone rise out of their circumstances,
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Back when I was still investing, I found out what my broker was being paid by his employer, a major name in finance. Balancing that info against the bad advice they gave me, and the fact that the SOB couldn't be contacted during those times he was playing racqet ball or tennis, and I figured I can lose money just as well on my own.

The jobs I want to see hurt the most are those that take in the savings of the middle class, and PLAY with it, to the detriment of their own clients.
If Wall Street employee population drops to half, there will still be too many of them.
Wall Street is the new organized crime in the USA.
 
Grant said:
Europeans, with their ancient ideas of class distinctions, still talk in terms of "economic elites", and I see an attempt being made by this present US administration at introducing these attitudes into the United States. It should be resisted at all costs.
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Seriously what plant do you live on? Class distinctions are first off not European but based in human history going back to the time we were apes.

Secondly, class distinction was far more important in China and India (even today) and other places outside Europe, than it in many ways was in Europe, especially the last 200 years.

Thirdly, the US is just as "class divided" if not more than most European nations today. And like it or not, people do act and treat you differently depending on if you are a bum on the street or in the same tax bracket as Bill Gates.

And the whole "class" distinction is a by product of 5000 years of conservative rule. Landowners and serfs, rich and poor, man and woman.. black and white.. all relates to the basic nature of humanity that was cultured for 5000 years by kings and queens and warlords and other rich people over a poor population. Even when these masses started to rise up and demand equal rights, the ruling class banded together in the "conservative movement" to maintain the status quo as much as possible. They used the existing government apparatus which they were in control of to hit down on "new" parties and political ideas like socialism. Only after the fall of the Russian Zar, did conservative movements across the world realize, that they better start listening to the people or face a similar consequence.

But like it or not, class distinction still exists today everywhere in one way or another and US is no better (if not worse)...
 
Grant said:
Conservative by European standards, perhaps, but that doesn't mean much in the real world.
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HAHHAHHAHAHHA.. talk about be deluded.. European conservatives are like all other conservatives world wide EXCEPT the American variant. And no the world does not revolve around the US and how it defines political parties or classes.
 
PeteEU said:
LOL most European governments are CONSERVATIVE.... how about yous tart with a thing called facts. before throwing the usual American slurs about Europe?
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European conservatives aren't conservative by American standards. They're weaklings who play on the field marked out by the Euro Left.
 
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