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    Re: Juarez counts 3,000th homicide of 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I would be in favor of taking the troops from Iraq and sending them to the border with Mexico. The cost is justified. We are part of Mexico's problem because we allow for the problem (drugs) to benefit in our country.



    Yep. Enforce the laws and take a tough stance. It's crazy thinking that I know so many people who have used illegal drugs that are not in jail. We take it too lightly legally and culturally.
    yes, we should have 40% of our population with criminal records. The solution to a policy failure is not to double down on it (yet again). We have took tougher and tougher stances all the while, guess what.. usage rates have not changed, availability has not changed, potency and price has changed though - they are stronger and cheaper :P

    prohibition of anything does not work so long as there is demand, hell we cant even keep drugs out of our prisons
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    Re: Juarez counts 3,000th homicide of 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    yes, we should have 40% of our population with criminal records. The solution to a policy failure is not to double down on it (yet again). We have took tougher and tougher stances all the while, guess what.. usage rates have not changed, availability has not changed, potency and price has changed though - they are stronger and cheaper :P
    All we have to do is force heavy fines and no jail time on drug abusers. Have them pay for the war on drugs. I would be for mandatory urine tests and blood tests on violators. What should we do? Legalizing and pretend that the problem will go away?
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    Re: Juarez counts 3,000th homicide of 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    All we have to do is force heavy fines and no jail time on drug abusers. Have them pay for the war on drugs. I would be for mandatory urine tests and blood tests on violators. What should we do? Legalizing and pretend that the problem will go away?
    It will never go away, but adding a behemoth of a criminal problem on top of our drug problem complicates and distracts from what is already a daunting enough task. We focus so much on dealing with our manufactured criminal problem that we fail to address the underlying drug problem, and only exacerbate a poor situation
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    Re: Juarez counts 3,000th homicide of 2010

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    You think all those drugs stop at the Canadian border?

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    I've seen first hand the drug problem in Canada Harshaw, in some places its bad, really bad. But lets look at the facts here.

    Viable Market in Canada for Drugs 35 million people.

    Viable Market in United States for drugs 400 million people.

    Whoops, big difference and we have the added advantage of not being directly on the border.

    The Trifecta of illegal immigration, supported by criminals, human trafficking and drug trafficking of course is gonna create crap.

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    Re: Juarez counts 3,000th homicide of 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    It will never go away, but adding a behemoth of a criminal problem on top of our drug problem complicates and distracts from what is already a daunting enough task. We focus so much on dealing with our manufactured criminal problem that we fail to address the underlying drug problem, and only exacerbate a poor situation
    Like I said. Remove jail time for most drug offenses and impose heavy fines. It pays for the war on drugs and doesn't clog up jails. It isn't manufactured. We don't make the drug problem. Legalizing all drugs will solve nothing and only contribute harm. I think it would be a strong deterrent if drug offenders had to pay thousands of dollars in fines and if they were actually sought out for and caught.
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    Re: Juarez counts 3,000th homicide of 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    All we have to do is force heavy fines and no jail time on drug abusers. Have them pay for the war on drugs. I would be for mandatory urine tests and blood tests on violators. What should we do? Legalizing and pretend that the problem will go away?
    The War on Drugs does not work. Digsbe they've been at this for a long time, and all it's done is fuel a cycle of violence and fear.

    Either find something new, or abandon the idea all together, failed policies and wasting money is never the answer.

    I may not agree that heavy drugs should be legalised, hell I actually oppose it, but as long as we're locking up pot smokers for having a joint, somethings gotta give.

    Oh and fine them? What happens when they don't have the money, which the majority of them wouldn't. You confiscate their property if they have any? That makes them destitute, falling into more drugs and crime.

    I don't see it as a viable solution.

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    Re: Juarez counts 3,000th homicide of 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's crazy thinking that I know so many people who have used illegal drugs that are not in jail. We take it too lightly legally and culturally.
    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    All we have to do is force heavy fines and no jail time on drug abusers.
    which one is it that you are really advocating?
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    Re: Juarez counts 3,000th homicide of 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The War on Drugs does not work. Digsbe they've been at this for a long time, and all it's done is fuel a cycle of violence and fear.
    The problem though is that I feel it hasn't been efficient due to a lack of enforcement and cultural acceptance. It can work if we pursue it instead of sitting back and being lax with drug enforcement and viewing drug use as something acceptable socially.
    Either find something new, or abandon the idea all together, failed policies and wasting money is never the answer.
    Like I said. We need to change the punishment for drug use. I am for remove jail time for most offenses and substituting it for hefty fines that will pay for the war on drugs.
    I may not agree that heavy drugs should be legalised, hell I actually oppose it, but as long as we're locking up pot smokers for having a joint, somethings gotta give.
    I can't agree with legalizing pot. It's a harmful substance and I feel we should legalize anymore mind altering things. We already have alcohol and that's bad enough. Smoking a joint may not be as bad as heroine or others (heck, I have family that smokes pot or used to), but it shouldn't be legalized.
    Oh and fine them? What happens when they don't have the money, which the majority of them wouldn't. You confiscate their property if they have any? That makes them destitute, falling into more drugs and crime.
    If they have nothing how can they pay for the drugs? I would say if they can't pay it they should be forced into public labor to earn what they were sentenced to pay.
    I don't see it as a viable solution.
    I think it would be a very good solution to remove jail time on most drug offenses and impose fines. This removes the prison burden and the cost of the war on drugs. I feel that police should actually search for drug abusers and go on more sting operations. Cops should be watched heavily as some are corrupt and sell what they confiscate (or use it themselves). I feel that employers should give random urine tests for drugs, and if employees are found having drugs in their system they should be charged or at least investigated. We also need to take social initiatives to stop the common acceptance of drug use. I think it can work, and I don't think legalizing drugs will help solve anything and only create a bigger problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    which one is it that you are really advocating?
    Which laws or which drugs?
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    Re: Juarez counts 3,000th homicide of 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I've seen first hand the drug problem in Canada Harshaw, in some places its bad, really bad. But lets look at the facts here.

    Viable Market in Canada for Drugs 35 million people.

    Viable Market in United States for drugs 400 million people.

    Whoops, big difference and we have the added advantage of not being directly on the border.

    The Trifecta of illegal immigration, supported by criminals, human trafficking and drug trafficking of course is gonna create crap.
    It's 300 million, and the whole population (of either country) is not the "viable market." I personally am not in that market, never have been, never will be. The vast majority are not.

    The point is, it's not exclusively demand in the United States which brings drugs over our border. There's a decent market north of us, too.
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    Re: Juarez counts 3,000th homicide of 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's 300 million, and the whole population (of either country) is not the "viable market." I personally am not in that market, never have been, never will be. The vast majority are not.

    The point is, it's not exclusively demand in the United States which brings drugs over our border. There's a decent market north of us, too.
    Call me a liar for 100 million

    Yeah but far less of the hard****. Most of the weed we get ain't from mexico either, good ole fashion home grown canadian **** BC bud an all that.
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