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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Dirty liberal hippy!

    What roles do you think gays are not able to perform, exactly? (you need to re-establish your evil republican cred, quick!)
    never said they cannot perform roles-however I think right now having an openly gay man in some small elite units MAY cause a deleterious affect upon that unit Some with submarines. NOt the gay's fault but a reality



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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Aw, that sucks. That'll be like a decade from now.
    Maybe sooner, but we'll all just have to wait and see. Hopefully, one of those court cases working its way up will reach the SCOTUS soon and take down DOMA completely.

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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Oh, .

    And besides, it's gays that are being in the rear.
    Uh What does that mean?



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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    never said they cannot perform roles-however I think right now having an openly gay man in some small elite units MAY cause a deleterious affect upon that unit Some with submarines. NOt the gay's fault but a reality
    I don't think it would be submarines that a person would have to worry about very many issues. I have worked with submariners (due to working at Pearl Harbor SY), and most of those guys have very little issue with working with gays. As far as they're concerned, they just want someone who does their job. Working with women, otoh, is a hot item with them. Most of them would much rather work with an openly gay man than a straight woman anyday.
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    You appear to be emotional. Settle down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If trying to live in the best country possible is Utopian, then maybe we are. Of course, I think it's just better to do the right thing whenever possible and don't see that as Utopian.
    People often mistake their personal perspectives as a definition for the general belief. Utopia has been the goal since the Greeks. The Declaration of Independence is very much a prescription fo utopia. Making mistakes and trying to do the "right thing" ever since has been about realizing the purity of utopian society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post

    Nowhere does it say that the military has to recognize gay marriages.
    And notice that nowhere did I write that it had to. I'm not talking about legal marriage within the military. I am talking about legal spousal preference and SGLI benefits in a nation where courts laugh at their requests to get married. In other words, civilians want the military to pretend that they have the same rights so that they can continue to deny them rights.


    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes there are in the military. I could call my hispanic bud in the navy a wetback cuz he knew I was joking with him. That is the difference. If I insult some ones sexuality at work(well, my last job, unemployed sorta atm), and they take offense, I will face discipline.
    Are you being argumentative on purpose? I wasn't talking about jokes. I am talking about malicious behavior. In your civilian world you "may" see discipline and it will probably be in the form of a letter or a class. In the military there will be pay loss, rank loss, and career loss. I would certainly describe that as being far more intolerable than your last job. And in this fashion, just like in blacks and women, the military will lead the way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The military is not being forced to integrate women or blacks, they are being forced to integrate gays. I already covered your mistaken beliefs about SSM. The rest is already the case in the civilian world. Sorry, but the world moved past you all.
    Well, first of all, the world has moved past nothing. Gays are ostricized, beaten up, and murdered everywhere. Second, I am quite aware that integrating blacks and women were in the past and that today's issues are about homosexuals. Your attempt to insult my intelligence was sophomoric. I was very clear about how all three social changes were and are similar. And third, you covered what you thought was my mistake for the sake of your pro-homosexual stage. I have been quite clear on my absolute indifference on whether gays serve or not. But being able to serve openly means special considerations in regards to spousal (dependent) preference, especially during conflict. These considerations will not reflect the civilian's prescription for gays in the civilian courts.

    Long after gays serve openly and have other men as their dependents, civilians will still refuse them legal marriage proving that you have moved past nothing. You will be proven as wrong as all those leftist dreamers that tried to paint the military as being behind in regards to women and blacks decades ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post

    Gays will be where ever they are ordered to be. Remember, the first casualty of the in the Iraq war was gay.
    .....so? Remember, the biggest traitor in the Iraq War was also gay. Are these things supposed to mean something?

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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are a lot of businesses that do recognize a gay person's significant other under benefits, but there are still more that don't. And there are many states that protect a person from being fired because they are gay, but there are some states that don't or have laws that say a business doesn't have to state why a person was fired. It all depends on what part of the country you are in and/or what business you are comparing the military to as to whether or not they are behind or ahead in this policy.
    Well, accroding to Redress, gays have absolute rights throughout the American landscape and that only the military hurdle remains.

    My point, which has been ignored for the sake of the gay pride parade on this thread, is that absolute military prescription will lead the way in a nation full of legal contradiction and bigotry.

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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Yes, well I want to personally thank you for leading the way for gay marriage then. I can see how the military will force states to change. Consider that a gay couple married in Vermont should now be able to qualify for spousal benefits in the military...but not one from Texas? The military does like for everything to be uniform.
    But according to Redress, gays have a fair and equal shake everywhere in the U.S. and the military is the last hold out. And that even after we enforce higher standard and professionalism that it will still be the military that is far behind the civilian sector in terms of gay rights.

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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Maybe sooner, but we'll all just have to wait and see. Hopefully, one of those court cases working its way up will reach the SCOTUS soon and take down DOMA completely.

    Gotta love optimism.
    What the hell is DOMA?

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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You appear to be emotional. Settle down.
    I assume this was an attempt to be ironic.

    People often mistake their personal perspectives as a definition for the general belief. Utopia has been the goal since the Greeks. The Declaration of Independence is very much a prescription fo utopia. Making mistakes and trying to do the "right thing" ever since has been about realizing the purity of utopian society.
    Nah. Utopia is an impossible idea. Best we can make it is reachable and not Utopian. It's also not some negative.

    And notice that nowhere did I write that it had to. I'm not talking about legal marriage within the military. I am talking about legal spousal preference and SGLI benefits in a nation where courts laugh at their requests to get married. In other words, civilians want the military to pretend that they have the same rights so that they can continue to deny them rights.
    If SSM is not recognized, what spousal benefits are you talking about in the absence of a spouse? The rest is pure hogwash. You cannot change everything at once. SSM is the last area of inequity for gays, and it is also a separate issue. AS best I can tell your argument it's that since the civilian world does not treat gays perfectly, it's somehow acceptable for the military to not allow gays to serve openly. Maybe you can clarify your argument, cuz I know you are smarter than that.

    Are you being argumentative on purpose? I wasn't talking about jokes. I am talking about malicious behavior. In your civilian world you "may" see discipline and it will probably be in the form of a letter or a class. In the military there will be pay loss, rank loss, and career loss. I would certainly describe that as being far more intolerable than your last job. And in this fashion, just like in blacks and women, the military will lead the way.
    The point I was making is that the in the military and the civilian world, the same standards as far as harassment are held. You can make jokes in both and you wil face discipline if you cross the line. In the civilian world, we would not get 60/60, we would get fired. It's career loss, strait up.

    Well, first of all, the world has moved past nothing. Gays are ostricized, beaten up, and murdered everywhere. Second, I am quite aware that integrating blacks and women were in the past and that today's issues are about homosexuals. Your attempt to insult my intelligence was sophomoric. I was very clear about how all three social changes were and are similar. And third, you covered what you thought was my mistake for the sake of your pro-homosexual stage. I have been quite clear on my absolute indifference on whether gays serve or not. But being able to serve openly means special considerations in regards to spousal (dependent) preference, especially during conflict. These considerations will not reflect the civilian's prescription for gays in the civilian courts.
    Yes, people do things they should not in both the civilian and military world. But there is not systematic discrimination and double standards in relation to this issue in the civilian world, but it has existed in the military. You may have led once, but you are not leading now. And you have still not shown any evidence of any spousal issues.

    Long after gays serve openly and have other men as their dependents, civilians will still refuse them legal marriage proving that you have moved past nothing. You will be proven as wrong as all those leftist dreamers that tried to paint the military as being behind in regards to women and blacks decades ago.
    I could make some one of the same sex my dependent now. It's not the same thing as marriage. I have no clue what your hangup on that concept is, but iy's way overblown. The "spousal" laws for gays is not going to change in the military because of this.

    .....so? Remember, the biggest traitor in the Iraq War was also gay. Are these things supposed to mean something?
    Yes, they mean that gays are just like every one else, with the same ability to be heroic or cowardly.
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

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    What the hell is DOMA?
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