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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

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    You do know that some people are going to call you a RINO, now, don't you?
    yeah I hear that when I tell people i was a guard/escort at Planned Parenthood, I have gay and lesbian friends (and even dated a bisexual woman years ago) and think bible thumpers are almost as clueless as welfare -socialists!



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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I support getting rid of DADT and allowing gays to serve in most-if not all-military roles. Think of some poor brainwashed Islamist waiting interrogation and worrying that the guy who is going to be grilling him is Gay!!. The US military could use the homophobia intrinsic in the hard core Islamists to our benefit!
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    What roles do you think gays are not able to perform, exactly? (you need to re-establish your evil republican cred, quick!)
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

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    First off, treating people as people and based on their actions is not some Utopian dream.
    Oh, of course it is. It's all about the utopian dream.

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    The military is not being asked to do something civilians cannot, they are being asked to do what the rest of the country already can do.
    The rest of the country maintains a homosexual's spousal preference in its legal codes?

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    Oh noz, the military will have to let people designate their own next of kin. The horror!
    You are evading. The military already designates Next of Kin. I would think you knew this. I would also think that you would be aware of the significance of a RED when it comes to not just next of kin, but "spousal rights."

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Gays are also sometimes positively portrayed by Hollywood. Here is a hint: Hollywood is not the whole of the US. If I work with a gay in the civilian world and call him a dirty fag, guess what, I am probably going to be subject to discipline. My career could be ruined. And it's been like that for years. Welcome to the 21st century.
    "Sometimes?" "Probably?" There is no sometimes and probably in the military. One more example on how we will be forced to maintain the higher standard so that lower standards in the civilian sector can be over looked.

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    Really? So being in the rear is leading now?
    You are still evading the truth. When the military was forced to integrate women and blacks, the civilian debates of acceptance was already happening. In both events, the military was "behind," but it was the military that led. This is the same. Spousal preference in the military will be a fact of law before they are allowed to marry in civilian courts.

    And besides, it's gays that are being in the rear.
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Often the stuff MSgt posts is pretty sensible. This is not the case today, unfortunately.

    Also, I wonder how long until the military recognizes homosexual marriages.

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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Oh, of course it is. It's all about the utopian dream.
    If trying to live in the best country possible is Utopian, then maybe we are. Of course, I think it's just better to do the right thing whenever possible and don't see that as Utopian.

    The rest of the country maintains a homosexual's spousal preference in its legal codes?
    Nowhere does it say that the military has to recognize gay marriages.


    You are evading. The military already designates Next of Kin. I would think that you would be aware of the significance of a RED when it comes to not just next of kin, but "spousal rights."
    Defense of Marriage Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Notice that the federal government does not recognize SSM.

    "Sometimes?" "Probably?" There is no sometimes and probably in the military. One more example on how we will be forced to maintain the higher standard so that lower standards in the civilian sector can be over looked.
    Yes there are in the military. I could call my hispanic bud in the navy a wetback cuz he knew I was joking with him. That is the difference. If I insult some ones sexuality at work(well, my last job, unemployed sorta atm), and they take offense, I will face discipline.


    You are still evading the truth. When the military was forced to integrate women and blacks, the civilian debates of acceptance was already happening. In both events, the military was "behind," but it was the military that led. This is the same. Spousal preference in the military will be a fact of law before they are allowed to marry in civilian courts.
    The military is not being forced to integrate women or blacks, they are being forced to integrate gays. I already covered your mistaken beliefs about SSM. The rest is already the case in the civilian world. Sorry, but the world moved past you all.

    And besides, it's gays that are being in the rear.
    Gays will be where ever they are ordered to be. Remember, the first casualty of the in the Iraq war was gay.
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Often the stuff MSgt posts is pretty sensible. This is not the case today, unfortunately.

    Also, I wonder how long until the military recognizes homosexual marriages.
    Not as long as DOMA is in place.
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Often the stuff MSgt posts is pretty sensible. This is not the case today, unfortunately.
    And why is this? Don't mistake your lack of knowledge as sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Also, I wonder how long until the military recognizes homosexual marriages.
    As soon as civilians allow gay marrriage. Or should the military lead this too? In the mean time, the military will recognize spousal preference in the RED, which is a step up from what they get now in the courts.

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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Oh, of course it is. It's all about the utopian dream.



    The rest of the country maintains a homosexual's spousal preference in its legal codes?



    You are evading. The military already designates Next of Kin. I would think you knew this. I would also think that you would be aware of the significance of a RED when it comes to not just next of kin, but "spousal rights."



    "Sometimes?" "Probably?" There is no sometimes and probably in the military. One more example on how we will be forced to maintain the higher standard so that lower standards in the civilian sector can be over looked.



    You are still evading the truth. When the military was forced to integrate women and blacks, the civilian debates of acceptance was already happening. In both events, the military was "behind," but it was the military that led. This is the same. Spousal preference in the military will be a fact of law before they are allowed to marry in civilian courts.

    And besides, it's gays that are being in the rear.
    Actually, it really doesn't look like gay spouses will be able to receive all or even most of the same benefits that straight spouses receive yet, due mainly to DOMA. That was specifically addressed in the study, and I'm pretty sure that the panel took the position that giving them most benefits without having their spouse legally recognized (despite the fact that their spouse can't be legally recognized by the federal government) would not be fair to straight couples in relationships but not legally married (ignoring the fact that those straight couples could get legally married pretty much anytime they chose to).

    Personally, I wish that they would recognize gay spouses completely as dependents, but it most likely won't happen til DOMA goes down.

    As far as the civilian vs. military acceptance of homosexuality, I think the military is more in the middle on this one. There are a lot of businesses that do recognize a gay person's significant other under benefits, but there are still more that don't. And there are many states that protect a person from being fired because they are gay, but there are some states that don't or have laws that say a business doesn't have to state why a person was fired. It all depends on what part of the country you are in and/or what business you are comparing the military to as to whether or not they are behind or ahead in this policy.
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Yes. Women were Commanding Officers and Generals before they were CEOs. Blacks were patrolling and being promoted equally and fairly with whites long before Affirmative Action. I've brought this up before to people here, but they all seem too interested in pretending that our military is always the last hold out. In their eagerness to ensure that "they pay our robot salaries" they forget that it has always been the robots that have led social change....not them. The difference is that we are forced to maintain high standards while they use their protected freedoms to maintain the choice between good and bad morality.

    But the great contradiction remains... - "You are good enough to go die for my unearned rights, homosexual, but **** you if you want to get married in our courts."
    Yes, well I want to personally thank you for leading the way for gay marriage then. I can see how the military will force states to change. Consider that a gay couple married in Vermont should now be able to qualify for spousal benefits in the military...but not one from Texas? The military does like for everything to be uniform.
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, it really doesn't look like gay spouses will be able to receive all or even most of the same benefits that straight spouses receive yet, due mainly to DOMA. That was specifically addressed in the study, and I'm pretty sure that the panel took the position that giving them most benefits without having their spouse legally recognized (despite the fact that their spouse can't be legally recognized by the federal government) would not be fair to straight couples in relationships but not legally married (ignoring the fact that those straight couples could get legally married pretty much anytime they chose to).

    Personally, I wish that they would recognize gay spouses completely as dependents, but it most likely won't happen til DOMA goes down.

    As far as the civilian vs. military acceptance of homosexuality, I think the military is more in the middle on this one. There are a lot of businesses that do recognize a gay person's significant other under benefits, but there are still more that don't. And there are many states that protect a person from being fired because they are gay, but there are some states that don't or have laws that say a business doesn't have to state why a person was fired. It all depends on what part of the country you are in and/or what business you are comparing the military to as to whether or not they are behind or ahead in this policy.
    Aw, that sucks. That'll be like a decade from now.
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