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    Re: DADT repeal still has a shot!

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    Not a simple question. I like parts, dislike parts. I am very split on it.
    Yeah, but, but, the will of the people...

    What about the will of our service members? Does their opinion count?

    67% of the Marines that serve in combat arms units oppose the repeal. 58% of Army soldiers that serve in combat arms units oppose the repeal. The Chiefs of Staff for the Army and the Air Force and the Commandant of Marine Corps oppose it. You've been telling us all this time that the military, including the big brass, all support the repeal.

    Surely, ya'll haven't ben dishonest about the real numbers?
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    Re: DADT repeal still has a shot!

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If you think that Reid is going to keep the Senate in session over the holidays you live in a dream world...........This whole thing is about the gay vote........The dems woulkd sell their souls for it..........Reid did not even mention DADT in his things to be done.......Reid give DADT lip service but actually he is dead against it.........He is a Mormon and homosexuality is against his belief.......Reid did not even mention it on the things to be done prior to the Senate adjourning..........At best it does not look good
    And the Dems not pushing this through, would make them lose votes. Especially when there is at least one Repub. (Collins) who is pushing it. Do you think Reid would vote against this?
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    Re: DADT repeal still has a shot!

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, but, but, the will of the people...

    What about the will of our service members? Does their opinion count?

    67% of the Marines that serve in combat arms units oppose the repeal. 58% of Army soldiers that serve in combat arms units oppose the repeal. The Chiefs of Staff for the Army and the Air Force and the Commandant of Marine Corps oppose it. You've been telling us all this time that the military, including the big brass, all support the repeal.

    Surely, ya'll haven't ben dishonest about the real numbers?
    The will of the people refers to all people, not just those you want to include. If you are going to reference the will of the people, you should at least be consistent, and not use it part time when it serves your purposes(you being generic and not referring to you specifically).
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    Re: DADT repeal still has a shot!

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The will of the people refers to all people, not just those you want to include. If you are going to reference the will of the people, you should at least be consistent, and not use it part time when it serves your purposes(you being generic and not referring to you specifically).
    Ok, but the question must be asked: when you were espousing that the military was all for abolishing DADT, you left the previously posted information out of your argument; claiming that all the brass and most soldiers were for it.


    Why?
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    Re: DADT repeal still has a shot!

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, but, but, the will of the people...

    What about the will of our service members? Does their opinion count?

    67% of the Marines that serve in combat arms units oppose the repeal. 58% of Army soldiers that serve in combat arms units oppose the repeal. The Chiefs of Staff for the Army and the Air Force and the Commandant of Marine Corps oppose it. You've been telling us all this time that the military, including the big brass, all support the repeal.

    Surely, ya'll haven't ben dishonest about the real numbers?
    If you were arguing that openly gay troops shouldn't be allowed to serve in combat positions, then maybe you would have an argument, but you are arguing that no gay troops should be allowed to serve openly in any capacity.

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    Re: DADT repeal still has a shot!

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, but the question must be asked: when you were espousing that the military was all for abolishing DADT, you left the previously posted information out of your argument; claiming that all the brass and most soldiers were for it.


    Why?
    I never claimed that all of the brass supported repeal. The majority of the military said that DADT could be repealed without significant trouble(paraphrase). The SecDef and Chairman JCS, and CinC are for repeal as are many other officers. I have never said otherwise.
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    Re: DADT repeal still has a shot!

    Alright Senator Reid, time to step and do as you said. I would really like to see this repealed before the new year.

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    Re: DADT repeal still has a shot!

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, but, but, the will of the people...

    What about the will of our service members? Does their opinion count?

    67% of the Marines that serve in combat arms units oppose the repeal. 58% of Army soldiers that serve in combat arms units oppose the repeal. The Chiefs of Staff for the Army and the Air Force and the Commandant of Marine Corps oppose it. You've been telling us all this time that the military, including the big brass, all support the repeal.

    Surely, ya'll haven't ben dishonest about the real numbers?
    Maybe you should be honest about the numbers. How many of those marines and soldiers that have actually served alongside gays want the repeal? The number is very different when you are talking about people who actually have worked alongside gay marines and soldiers.

    It is still about fear of the unknown. They don't know what it will be like working with openly gay men and/or women, so they don't want it to happen. Humans are resistant to change, especially change that contradicts things that they have been taught/told.
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    Re: DADT repeal still has a shot!

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And the Dems not pushing this through, would make them lose votes. Especially when there is at least one Repub. (Collins) who is pushing it. Do you think Reid would vote against this?
    The head dem is Reid and it is not on his docket according to the link I posted........It also has to pass through committee....The votes are not there..........There are demcrats who have voted against it...........Webb from Va. and Nelson from Nebraska come to mind..............The only very slim hope you have is if Reid calls back the senate for the holidays and that has never happened in our history and sure as hell won't happen for something as unimportant as DADT..........
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    Re: DADT repeal still has a shot!

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Maybe you should be honest about the numbers. How many of those marines and soldiers that have actually served alongside gays want the repeal? The number is very different when you are talking about people who actually have worked alongside gay marines and soldiers.

    It is still about fear of the unknown. They don't know what it will be like working with openly gay men and/or women, so they don't want it to happen. Humans are resistant to change, especially change that contradicts things that they have been taught/told.
    Again, it depends how the question is posed.............
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