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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Some people still wanna party like it's 1999.

    Hell, some people still wanna party like it's 1959.

    What ya gonna do?

    In 2029, this will all be history and they will be laughing at the 1999'er's much like we laugh at the 1959'er's today.

    And the beat goes on.

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    I predict just the opposite! Since religion is not going to be completely extinguished by then and the gap between the poor and the rich is going to be even wider, people will be more on the defensive and find ways to rationalize their resentment towards other groups. Poor people are going to need to see other groups of people beneath them in order to have a sense of at least some superiority over other groups. Traditionally these groups have been groups of either other opposing religious beliefs or groups who have "questionable" morals. These types of groups usually will be members of the LGBT community for certain. They also may be members of certain racial or ethnic backgrounds.

    The upper middle class along with the rich, will continue to blame the poor and contend that their condition is somehow genetically inherent and that sexual and gender dysfunctionality is to expected in such inferior groups.
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

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    I think that both you and Tryreading (Boy! If that isn't oxymoronic!), should try reading more about hate crimes as they specifically relate to the LGBT community. I think it would bolster your advocacy positions for this community particularly, if you're going to support issues like the repeal of DADT. When arguing against its repeal, you would be better armed with more accurate infromation in this regard. Also, I would personally like to invite you to yet another website where, once again, it is stated that gays are less likely to report hate crimes against them. Please do check it out!

    When people commit hate crimes, they do so out of indignant moral ignorance. They feel entitled to attack the victim because the victim is representing some form of image violation that is contrary to their already established internalized standard image, that they perceive is superior.

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    Thus far, it would appear that you are not in the least bit aware of hate crimes as they are related to the LGBT community specifically, their frequency of being reported, the level of bullying currently taking place within our schools, or the devastating effects of both bully and hate crimes upon some of the most precious members of our society.
    1) My "advocacy" for DADT repeal is not at all affected by hate crime knowledge. You are literally the only one ever on these boards who has suggested that there is significant violence against gays in society.

    2) so far I have shown more knowledge on the subject of hate crimes against gays than you have.

    3) I have been around gays since I was about 7. I know a ****load of gay people. None have been the victim of violence aimed at gays, none of them fear violence against gays in this day and age.

    4) There is zero evidence that gays would be a target of violence if DADT was repealed. It's an argument of grasping at straws.
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    Yaayyyyyyyyy!!!! Where's Navy? I owe him a big old, "I told you so!"
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

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    Yaayyyyyyyyy!!!! Where's Navy? I owe him a big old, "I told you so!"
    Did it? Oh please let it be so!
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101218/...ys_in_military

    63-33!

    So much for not having the votes!
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    I'm communicating with MSgt throught text. Apparently our military hasn't crumbled yet. There's always tomorrow though...
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    dadt passed procedurals this morning, it is almost sure to be repealed

    in other words, the filibuster failed, repeal won 63 votes

    i'm afraid i didn't get the names of the gop defectors, but i'm sure they include snowe, collins, scott brown #41 from chappaquiddick and murkowski from palin country

    to get to 63, there would have to be another

    it was on cspan2, very interesting, it's not even up on politico yet

    dream failed just before dadt passed, dadt now needs 51 only, after having just gotten 63...

    it will be on obama's desk soon, the same that just cut taxes for the rich, claimed it as a victory, turned control of 2011 spending over to the orange dude who cries

    dream failed, got only 55---i saw that bennett of utah went over, as did lugar (obama's buddy on start), and murkowski in what was sposed to be sarah's seat

    that is, most of the notable rhinos stuck with their team---omnipresent olympia, #41, george voinovich, et al

    on the other side, tester of montana, stiffneck nelson from the kickback crib, mark pryor from arkansas, and the gatekeeper himself, max baucus, sided with mcconnell

    start is next, lindsey lamented this morning how unfair all this politics is, he looked like a loser

    will republicans insist on a full airing of start?

    that's about all that's left of the duck

    you probably saw this week that gitmo detainees were banned from civil venue in the house, 341(!) to 48

    and michelle's food safety bill, which comes at the cost of CUTS TO FOOD STAMPS, was looking as dreary as dream

    fyi
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    1) My "advocacy" for DADT repeal is not at all affected by hate crime knowledge. You are literally the only one ever on these boards who has suggested that there is significant violence against gays in society.

    2) so far I have shown more knowledge on the subject of hate crimes against gays than you have.

    3) I have been around gays since I was about 7. I know a ****load of gay people. None have been the victim of violence aimed at gays, none of them fear violence against gays in this day and age.

    4) There is zero evidence that gays would be a target of violence if DADT was repealed. It's an argument of grasping at straws.
    You have shown me nothing! Quite to the contrary, I have given you corroborating websites where evidence has been offered that demonstrates violence against gays and their unwillingness to report it. You have offered nothing to support your claims or to refute that of my own.

    There is only TOO MUCH resentment that entire communities have against gays. There are certain suburban communities in Chicago where an openly gay guy will most certainly be attacked walking their streets unescorted.

    African-Americans are particularly set against other African-American male gays openly expressing their sexuality. Hispanics are also known for their intolerance of gays.

    Bullies exist in all communities. Bullies usually have a propensity for attacking LGBT members. Bullies have no disticnt color or ethnicity. However, certain ethnicity groups are known to have a traditionally profound dislike for male gays in particular. This is especially so, if the gay is an extraction from their own ethnic group.
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I'm communicating with MSgt throught text. Apparently our military hasn't crumbled yet. There's always tomorrow though...
    But has he taken a shower?

    it is my understanding that it only starts to crumble at that point.
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hancock View Post
    You have shown me nothing! Quite to the contrary, I have given you corroborating websites where evidence has been offered that demonstrates violence against gays and their unwillingness to report it. You have offered nothing to support your claims or refute that of my own.

    There is only TOO MUCH resentment that entire communities have against gays. There are certain white communities in Chicago where an openly gay white guy will most certainly be attacked walking their streets unescorted. African-Americans are particularly set against other African-American male gays openly expressing their sexuality. Hispanics are also know for their intolerance for gays.

    Bullies exist in all communities. Bullies usually have a propensity for attacking LGBT members. Bullies have no disticnt color or ethnicity. However, certain ethnicity groups are known to have a traditionally profound dislike for male gays in particular. This is especially so, if the gay is an extraction from their own ethnic group.
    Your corroborative website gave old info on a situation that has rapidly evolved. Due to my family situation, I have seen firsthand the situation for gays in this country since the 70's. 11 year old information, based on data even older, is not accurate today. Take a look at any tracking poll on gay issues over the last 11 years to show you this.
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