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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Ooo, disaster is a strong word.
    Yes, and until I am convinced otherwise, that is what a repeal of DADT will be for the military and our national security.

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    The military does indeed have a job to do, and I am the first person who will say that if a person's sexuality is getting in the way of their performance, they don't belong in the military.
    We agree here.

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    However, it's not unreasonable to allow soldiers to have their family as their support base. And soldiers do talk about their families/girlfriends/weekend hookups as a way of bonding with each other. I think it's unreasonable to not allow gay soliders to have the same support.
    Fair enough. I agree with you but I still think a repeal of DADT will be a disaster for our military because of the lawsuits that will follow.

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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

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    Yes, and until I am convinced otherwise, that is what a repeal of DADT will be for the military and our national security.

    We agree here.

    Fair enough. I agree with you but I still think a repeal of DADT will be a disaster for our military because of the lawsuits that will follow.
    What lawsuits are you worried about?
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Two questions:

    1: why do you think it will be a disaster?

    2: are you or where you in the service? If so, I got some followup questions.
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    What lawsuits are you worried about?
    Founded and unfounded discrimination claims, the right to have breast implants for males or other surgery, men/women/gay restroom and barracks issues, hormone drugs, etc.

    Good grief, is there anything the gay community hasn’t sued over yet?

    Congress can’t responsibly repeal DADT without dealing with the underlying dangers to the military. Particularly with a charade “shove it through at the last second so we can tell our base ‘we tried’” lame duck congress that didn’t give a crap about the issue until last week.

    The only urgency with DADT is to repeal it before the Democrats total domination/power is gone.

    My question to you is: Why would you support it being forced through in an emergency fashion without transparent debate so the American people can understand the effects and cost this will have on our military?
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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Founded and unfounded discrimination claims, the right to have breast implants for males or other surgery, men/women/gay restroom and barracks issues, hormone drugs, etc.

    Good grief, is there anything the gay community hasn’t sued over yet?

    Congress can’t responsibly repeal DADT without dealing with the underlying dangers to the military. Particularly with a charade “shove it through at the last second so we can tell our base ‘we tried’” lame duck congress that didn’t give a crap about the issue until last week.

    The only urgency with DADT is to repeal it before the Democrats total domination/power is gone.

    My question to you is: Why would you support it being forced through in an emergency fashion without transparent debate so the American people can understand the effects and cost this will have on our military?
    There is no "right to have breast implants." The military does not pay for cosmetic surgery, male, female, gay, straight. I also don't see sleeping/showering arrangements leading to law suits. If someone is harassed, they are punished, same as it's always been. As far as discrimination claims, it could happen. It happens to other minorities in the military, but that's not a reason to not let them serve. There is already a system in place to deal with it.

    As far as it being forced through in an emergency fashion, we already waited for a study to come back with favorable results. What more could you want? How many other laws do we commission studies for about their impact?
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Two questions:

    1: why do you think it will be a disaster?

    2: are you or where you in the service? If so, I got some followup questions.
    I think it will be a disaster because lawyers will come up with countless reasons to sue.

    I was never able to serve. I tried to join the Air Force but couldn’t. I had both eardrums ruptured during my freshman year in high-school and I was honest in disclosing that information

    IMHO wouldn’t have prevented me from being a great pilot but it was enough to keep me out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    There is no "right to have breast implants." The military does not pay for cosmetic surgery, male, female, gay, straight.
    Actually, they have paid for breast implants for some women, they said for self esteem issues. I don't think its right, but it was happening while I was on active duty (not sure if they are still doing it). It wasn't really a "right" that women could get them, but it was more of a sign up sheet type deal.

    As for the rest of your post, I completely agree and would have posted right behind/ahead of you again if my 3 year old hadn't have deleted it before I could get it posted.
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    Re: DADT repeal still has a shot!

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    We are talking about a law here Redress........Everyone is not liberal like you.........as I said some people by their religeous upbringing hate homosexuality.........They did not join the military to be around gays serving openly..........If the gov opts out then they should be allowed to do so to....
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, they have paid for breast implants for some women, they said for self esteem issues. I don't think its right, but it was happening while I was on active duty (not sure if they are still doing it). It wasn't really a "right" that women could get them, but it was more of a sign up sheet type deal.

    As for the rest of your post, I completely agree and would have posted right behind/ahead of you again if my 3 year old hadn't have deleted it before I could get it posted.
    Last I heard they'd pay for breast reductions if it was causing issues with PT, but that's it.
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    Re: House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Last I heard they'd pay for breast reductions if it was causing issues with PT, but that's it.
    They started offering breast enlargements sometime around 2005 (give or take a year). Like I said, I don't know how long it lasted or if it is still happening, but it came up as a big issue when I was on active duty because many guys thought that it was unfair (and I agreed with them). The reasoning behind it came out as it would work double duty to raise the self esteem of some female servicemembers and provide a bit of surgery training for field doctors (don't ask me how breast implants are like field surgery because I really don't know).

    I found a link and story.

    http://www.newyorker.com/archive/200...a_talk_schaler
    Last edited by roguenuke; 12-16-10 at 01:21 AM.
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