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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    In the new legislation, the tax rate would be the same as the current temporary tax rate. Without new legislation, the rate would revert back to the last permanent rate, as prescribed by law, before the temporary rate was authorized. The new legislation would be a temporary tax cut from the last permanent tax rate.
    Amazing we get all these cuts, but taxes stay the same for years, now another 2 yrs, still stay the same. Hmmm... what will they call a tax cut if we ever really get one?
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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

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    I have to thank Chappy for enlightening me on this. …
    I am still waiting for that thanks (lower left hand corner) but I'll offer that you're welcome in advance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Telecaster View Post
    … Obama is forced by the voters and the GOP Congress to drop his own philosophy for that of the people. …
    You mean the philosophy that endorsed 40% of the 2009 stimulus bill costs in tax breaks? Come on, give the man some credit unfettered by the partisan vitriol.
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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    This is not a tax cut my left wing friend..Its the status quo and stops a huge tax increase if the Bush tax cuts from 2001 expire............
    Well... sort of. Legislatively the status quo is that the tax cuts were temporarily enacted in 2001 to run for 10 years. The status quo is for them to expire in a few months. I spose your way of looking at things is correct too, in a way.

    Is it possible to do any temporary legislation anymore?

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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I am still waiting for that thanks (lower left hand corner) but I'll offer that you're welcome in advance.



    You mean the philosophy that endorsed 40% of the 2009 stimulus bill costs in tax breaks? Come on, give the man some credit unfettered by the partisan vitriol.
    You will have to accept that as my thanks (to you). Afterall, it was even said publicly. That has to be worth something, doesn't it?

    Okay, apparently there were some tax cuts in there. But who was going to know without some digging considering how little it was presented in the media because it was over shaddowed by healthcare which in time, if allowed to continue, will obliterate our Obama '09 tax cuts?

    And that is why I am reluctant to thank these guys. Progressive/left policy may throw us some bones, but they make us pay for so much more of their service. I can't have "small government". But I'd sure like to at least have the lesser option.

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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

    As long as you refer "the left," whoever they are, you'll never get beyond partisan silliness to actually discussing the issues, . . . dare I say . . . objectively!?

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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As long as you refer "the left," whoever they are, you'll never get beyond partisan silliness to actually discussing the issues, . . . dare I say . . . objectively!?
    Have any of us ever thought what it might look like to discuss political matters by directing them toward the various select groups rather than the general group that commonly makes up voting blocks? Seems it would become tiresome always having to pinpoint each particular interest group.

    It is my opinion that when we say "left" or "right", each one of us knows who it applies to by the type of issue or subject matter.

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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Telecaster View Post
    Have any of us ever thought what it might look like to discuss political matters by directing them toward the various select groups rather than the general group that commonly makes up voting blocks? Seems it would become tiresome always having to pinpoint each particular interest group.

    It is my opinion that when we say "left" or "right", each one of us knows who it applies to by the type of issue or subject matter.
    Why point to any group? Can't the merits of the issue stand on its own? Seriously, are taxes a voting block, or do taxes have objective conserns that can be addressed?

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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Why point to any group? Can't the merits of the issue stand on its own? Seriously, are taxes a voting block, or do taxes have objective conserns that can be addressed?
    That is sensible. But that is also a different subject even if it is one worth discussing. There will always be those asking why others think the way they do, as seen here by Conservative and Baum.

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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Telecaster View Post
    That is sensible. But that is also a different subject even if it is one worth discussing. There will always be those asking why others think the way they do, as seen here by Conservative and Baum.
    the thing is, we really don't think in groups. We all think a little differently about all issues. Those who lean liberal don't hold all the same views, and neither do those who lean right. We simplify by grouping, but in doing so, actually end up arguing with soomeone other than the person you're talking to. In fact, many use the grouping technique to label and therefore dismiss the position. This is counterproductive and will never likely lead to an honest debate.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

    In 2012 the GOP Majority will send one bill up to the dem senate

    keep the current rates for everyone. What will the dems do? what will Sham Wow do?



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