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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

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    Yet the healthcare reform bill is called "Obamacare." How convenient for you.
    OK, let me rephrase: he didn't do anything that was actually good for the country.

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    Every single major news organization says one thing. apdst says another. Proving once more he doesn't really understand what he is reading.
    Yeah, they're saying that this is a tax cut. But it's not, is it?
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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, they're saying that this is a tax cut. But it's not, is it?
    Liberals and other proponents of bigger govt. don't like being challenged. Facts never matter to them thus they ignore links to those facts but instead buy the opinions of others who obviously have an agenda. Ask yourself why this Administration is so adamant against people keeping more of what they earn regardless of the income level? No one has yet explained nor can they why personal income tax revenue to the govt. went UP AFTER the Reagan and Bush tax rate cuts. that is quite telling as they simply ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Liberals and other proponents of bigger govt. don't like being challenged. Facts never matter to them thus they ignore links to those facts but instead buy the opinions of others who obviously have an agenda. Ask yourself why this Administration is so adamant against people keeping more of what they earn regardless of the income level? No one has yet explained nor can they why personal income tax revenue to the govt. went UP AFTER the Reagan and Bush tax rate cuts. that is quite telling as they simply ignore it.

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    It's because this has absolutely nothing to do with raising tax revenue. It's all about wealth redistribution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's because this has absolutely nothing to do with raising tax revenue. It's all about wealth redistribution.
    Which of course means the fundamental transformation of this country into a "European Liberal Utopia" which of course doesn't exist. This is contrary to the foundation upon which this country was built.

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    Which of course means the fundamental transformation of this country into a "European Liberal Utopia" which of course doesn't exist. This is contrary to the foundation upon which this country was built.
    I'm thinking alotta Obamabots don't want to admit what he really meant when he promised to, "fundamentally change", the United States.
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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

    I'll give Credit where Credit's deserved. Speaking about Politicians, I'll give 70% to the Republicans, 25% to Obama, and 5% to the few Democrats going along with this. Speaking in General, I'd give the majority of the credit to the voters, a large chunk of that being the Tea Party, who made this the only politically viable option for Obama.

    The only Credit Obama really gets is realizing that putting his foot in the ground going into the new year was going to hurt him politically and the country financially, that there was no way he was going to be able to raise the "rich's" taxes come January, and thus that this was the only viable option for him politically.

    As someone else said, I'm only going to give him so much credit when it's obvious that if the election results hadn't turned out how they had he'd have not even considered this. He's compromising because he HAS to, not because he necessarily wants to, which isn't exactly as noble of a notion.

    As for whether or not this is a tax cut or a tax extension, its a matter of semantics. People arguing whose right is a bit ridiculous because its based solely off of your own personal view.

    My thought? I'd laugh if anyone tried to tell me with certainty that its a "tax cut" and that I am being hypocritical for not giving him huge credit for "cutting tax's". The tax's would need to be gone, NOW for this to be a cut in my eyes. Otherwise, its simply an extension.

    For example...

    Say you've been making $1000 a week for the past few years, but next month you're set to have your salary decreased to $800 a week. If I go ahead and say "Scratch that, you're going to keep making $1000 until [x] date" that's not a raise, that's an extension of what's current. If however I waited until next month, when your salary decreased, and then after that point came to you and said "Do you know what, we're going to make your sallery $1000 until [x] date" then that'd be a raise to me because you're ACTUALLY raising something.

    For this to be a "tax cut" we'd have to suggest that somehow the "new" tax rates were 100% guaranteed. But they weren't, for this very reason...because an extension, or even further cuts, could happen. Its historically ignorant to assume that taxes are going to be a certain way "X" years out by default when historically tax's are routinely changed or attempted to be changed.

    The only thing one can deal with is the reality of today, and the reality of today is the same now as will be the reality of tomorrow...that, to me, is an extension.

    To others, for whatever reason, they think that counting money you NEVER were guaranteed and NEVER actually had is somehow reasonable, responsable, and legitimate. To them, this seems like a Tax Cut. And that makes sense, based on their view of reality....I just think their view of reality is extremely warped, based singularly off their desire and absolute need to paint this as some kind of victory for Obama.

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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How long have you gone without a raise? Those tax cuts went into effect between 2001-2003, it is 2010 now and the recession started in December 2007. If you are working you are still benefiting from those tax cuts, are you not?
    A raise? Please make some sense.

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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    the damage being done is not the rates, it is the spending under an Keynesian economic plan. It is utter foolishness.


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    The damage was done before the spending. The spending is a response to the damage, which occured under the Bush tax cuts (see you've pick up on the republican spin word ).

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    Re: Liberals giving up tax fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A raise? Please make some sense.
    Unfortunately making sense doesn't matter to you, tax cuts mean more spendable income and thus a raise in your take home pay. You continue to get that raise in take home pay today and have gotten it over the past 7 years. That take home pay signifies a raise and that take home pay due to taxes hasn't gone up in 7 years but my bet is your expenses have.

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