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Liberals giving up tax fight

Boo Radley said:
The damage was done before the spending. The spending is a response to the damage, which occured under the Bush tax cuts (see you've pick up on the republican spin word :lol:). :coffeepap
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How did the Bush tax cuts cause the recession?
 
Boo Radley said:
Cause? I never said caused. I said it happend with the tax cuts in place. And that is a fact.
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Yep, because the spending was out of control, and libs ramped it up by some 400% congradulations, you libs will be seen in history as the responsible party who push the American economy over the edge, and destroyed it.....You should be proud.


j-mac
 
Chappy said:
The Bush tax cuts expired by the law Bush signed. They're over. Kaput. Done. Fork-time™.

For the next couple of years, welcome to the Obama tax rates lowered by the law he will sign very soon now.

Now, repeat after me, thank you, President Obama.

There, that wasn't too hard.

Now go spend your Obama-windfall™.
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Shooterman said:
Tell a lie often enough and loud enough and it becomes truth.


THIS IS NOT A TAX CUT! It simply is maintaining the current tax rates.
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I have to thank Chappy for enlightening me on this. All this time I've held the Shooterman opinion. But Chap is correct...by law put forth by the Bush admin taxes are to raise come January. And Pres Obama is supporting a broad tax cut in its place that happens to be the equal of the Bush tax rates. So I have to thank the President for that much.

However, just like Pres Clinton in '94, Obama is forced by the voters and the GOP Congress to drop his own philosophy for that of the people. Without our will, Obama would have supported broad tax increases at this time. Any thanks needs to be measured and verified because left unattended, the President will turn on us.
 
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j-mac said:
Yep, because the spending was out of control, and libs ramped it up by some 400% congradulations, you libs will be seen in history as the responsible party who push the American economy over the edge, and destroyed it.....You should be proud.


j-mac
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J, that's nonsense. It really is. Spending may effect the deficit, which is a problem, but both parties are resonsible for that. But business, the economy, is more than that, and tax cuts did not kerep it rolling smmothly. You really should become more objective in your analysis.
 
Boo Radley said:
Cause? I never said caused. I said it happend with the tax cuts in place. And that is a fact.
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Yes, that is a fact, are you still getting yours? Since spending caused the problem, who has controlled the purse strings since January 2007, Democrats or Republicans?
 
Conservative said:
Yes, that is a fact, are you still getting yours? Since spending caused the problem, who has controlled the purse strings since January 2007, Democrats or Republicans?
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Who controlled it before then? Are you suggesting we were fiscally responsible before 2007? I hope not as that would be not only inaccurate, but silly.
 
Boo Radley said:
Who controlled it before then? Are you suggesting we were fiscally responsible before 2007? I hope not as that would be not only inaccurate, but silly.
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Did I say that, fact is since Democrats took control of Congress the debt has risen 5 trillion dollars. Bush left office with the debt at 10.6 trillion and it is now almost 14 trillion all due to spending increases that did nothing to create jobs, high unemployment, and low economic growth.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
you mean, extending current rates? That's not a tax cut. it would only be a tax cut if Obama let them expire FIRST. Which he is not doing. You and others here are just trying to justify Obama's major compromise to yourselves, when really, Obama had no choice if he wanted to survive. Conservatives get what they've always wanted, for once, and you're doing the only thing you can do, pretend that it was because the liberals were "nice".
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They have to put their own spin on it. If they didn't (and told the truth) for the last few weeks we would have been hearing "Democrats want to raise taxes on those making over 250,000." Instead they spun it to say, "Republicans want to give tax cuts to the rich."

See how Dem Speak works? :)
 
BWG said:
In the new legislation, the tax rate would be the same as the current temporary tax rate. Without new legislation, the rate would revert back to the last permanent rate, as prescribed by law, before the temporary rate was authorized. The new legislation would be a temporary tax cut from the last permanent tax rate.
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Amazing we get all these cuts, but taxes stay the same for years, now another 2 yrs, still stay the same. Hmmm... what will they call a tax cut if we ever really get one?
 
Telecaster said:
I have to thank Chappy for enlightening me on this. …
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I am still waiting for that thanks (lower left hand corner) but I'll offer that you're welcome in advance.

Telecaster said:
… Obama is forced by the voters and the GOP Congress to drop his own philosophy for that of the people. …
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You mean the philosophy that endorsed 40% of the 2009 stimulus bill costs in tax breaks? Come on, give the man some credit unfettered by the partisan vitriol.
 
Navy Pride said:
This is not a tax cut my left wing friend..Its the status quo and stops a huge tax increase if the Bush tax cuts from 2001 expire............
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Well... sort of. Legislatively the status quo is that the tax cuts were temporarily enacted in 2001 to run for 10 years. The status quo is for them to expire in a few months. I spose your way of looking at things is correct too, in a way.

Is it possible to do any temporary legislation anymore?
 
Chappy said:
I am still waiting for that thanks (lower left hand corner) but I'll offer that you're welcome in advance.



You mean the philosophy that endorsed 40% of the 2009 stimulus bill costs in tax breaks? Come on, give the man some credit unfettered by the partisan vitriol.
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You will have to accept that as my thanks (to you). Afterall, it was even said publicly. That has to be worth something, doesn't it?

Okay, apparently there were some tax cuts in there. But who was going to know without some digging considering how little it was presented in the media because it was over shaddowed by healthcare which in time, if allowed to continue, will obliterate our Obama '09 tax cuts?

And that is why I am reluctant to thank these guys. Progressive/left policy may throw us some bones, but they make us pay for so much more of their service. I can't have "small government". But I'd sure like to at least have the lesser option.
 
Boo Radley said:
As long as you refer "the left," whoever they are, you'll never get beyond partisan silliness to actually discussing the issues, . . . dare I say . . . objectively!?
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Have any of us ever thought what it might look like to discuss political matters by directing them toward the various select groups rather than the general group that commonly makes up voting blocks? Seems it would become tiresome always having to pinpoint each particular interest group.

It is my opinion that when we say "left" or "right", each one of us knows who it applies to by the type of issue or subject matter.
 
Telecaster said:
Have any of us ever thought what it might look like to discuss political matters by directing them toward the various select groups rather than the general group that commonly makes up voting blocks? Seems it would become tiresome always having to pinpoint each particular interest group.

It is my opinion that when we say "left" or "right", each one of us knows who it applies to by the type of issue or subject matter.
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Why point to any group? Can't the merits of the issue stand on its own? Seriously, are taxes a voting block, or do taxes have objective conserns that can be addressed?
 
Boo Radley said:
Why point to any group? Can't the merits of the issue stand on its own? Seriously, are taxes a voting block, or do taxes have objective conserns that can be addressed?
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That is sensible. But that is also a different subject even if it is one worth discussing. There will always be those asking why others think the way they do, as seen here by Conservative and Baum.
 
Telecaster said:
That is sensible. But that is also a different subject even if it is one worth discussing. There will always be those asking why others think the way they do, as seen here by Conservative and Baum.
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the thing is, we really don't think in groups. We all think a little differently about all issues. Those who lean liberal don't hold all the same views, and neither do those who lean right. We simplify by grouping, but in doing so, actually end up arguing with soomeone other than the person you're talking to. In fact, many use the grouping technique to label and therefore dismiss the position. This is counterproductive and will never likely lead to an honest debate.
 
In 2012 the GOP Majority will send one bill up to the dem senate

keep the current rates for everyone. What will the dems do? what will Sham Wow do?
 
like they had a choice,

like he had a choice.

it's all a big show, America spoke, you listen, no choices left.
he had his two years, democratic congress had their 4 years.

Hope and change has arrived
 
Dav said:
Sorta hard to call him a bigger tax cutter than W, when all he did here was refuse to raise taxes during a recession....
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Or to put things more accurately, he agreed to extended the tax cuts that were due to expire because:

a) he was able to get what effectively becomes his 2nd round of stimulus spending.

b) he put the fight over extending unemployment benefits off for the next 13 months in the hopes that by this time next year the country will be in much better shape than it is today.

c) he couldn't risk not extending the tax cuts for fear of losing what little economic gains the country has had; moreover, he didn't want to risk the country going into a depression.

d) not extending the Bush tax cuts ultimately could have spelled political suicide.

The President is swallowing a bitter pill with this tax package; I'm afraid he may have to swallow a few more before 2012.
 
Telecaster said:
I have to thank Chappy for enlightening me on this. All this time I've held the Shooterman opinion. But Chap is correct...by law put forth by the Bush admin taxes are to raise come January. And Pres Obama is supporting a broad tax cut in its place that happens to be the equal of the Bush tax rates. So I have to thank the President for that much.

However, just like Pres Clinton in '94, Obama is forced by the voters and the GOP Congress to drop his own philosophy for that of the people. Without our will, Obama would have supported broad tax increases at this time. Any thanks needs to be measured and verified because left unattended, the President will turn on us.
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Drop his philosophy for that of the people? I thought he was supposed to represent the will of the people!!!! Ya know, of the people, by the people, for the people? Poor obama, he might have to actually do what his country wants him to do. You liberals have one thing in common, your presidents get a wakeup call at the midterm elections reminding them who they really work for!
 
There is $400,000 in this bill to build a trail in Iowa to mark where Nikita Kruschev walked.

I mean, c'mon.

Get rid of all 6,000+ earmarks, then pass the stupid thing.
 
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