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Wait a minute....I thought there was a seperation of church and state?

And second, why do we have to get this from a UK news paper? Why isn't it reported here?

And lastly, is this a pattern after Holder's speech to Muslims proclaiming to "not let anything bad happen to them?....

Real Dhimmi's this bunch.


j-mac

I support her :shrug:

It was unpaid leave requested - kids get 2 weeks off of school for Christmas. . . and other teachers are permitted off for other holidays.

If the issue is about something else they should have directed it to that.
 
Re: Muslim woman teacher sues U.S. school after being denied three weeks unpaid leave

I support her :shrug:

It was unpaid leave requested - kids get 2 weeks off of school for Christmas. . . and other teachers are permitted off for other holidays.

If the issue is about something else they should have directed it to that.

correction, kids get 2 weeks off for winter break. and other teachers are permitted off for other federal holidays (as is she)

the only way I can see her having a case is if the school board allows other teachers to take 3 weeks unpaid leave for personal, non-medical reasons.

when I taught, we accrued 9 personal days per school year. there was no limit to the number of days you could store. why the hell didn't she just save up her vacation days for a couple of years and then take paid vacation for 3 weeks? there would've been nothing they could've done to stop her. they can't deny you vacation you have earned.

there are too many options that were available to her. she is either stupid or she was looking to make a statement.
 
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correction, kids get 2 weeks off for winter break. and other teachers are permitted off for other federal holidays (as is she)

the only way I can see her having a case is if the school board allows other teachers to take 3 weeks unpaid leave for personal, non-medical reasons.

when I taught, we accrued 9 personal days per school year. there was no limit to the number of days you could store. why the hell didn't she just save up her vacation days for a couple of years and then take paid vacation for 3 weeks? there would've been nothing they could've done to stop her. they can't deny you vacation you have earned.

there are too many options that were available to her. she is either stupid or she was looking to make a statement.


You are ofcourse correct Oscar, however, my problem lays with Holder taking this up on her behalf with my tax dollars.


j-mac
 
Re: Muslim woman teacher sues U.S. school after being denied three weeks unpaid leave

I think a more comparable situation would be that Catholics be allowed 40 days off for Lent. Would that be acceptable?


j-mac

You realize that lent is an annual event, and a pilgrimage is a once in a lifetime event, right?

Does the school district allow employees to take academic or personal sabbaticals?
 
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I think they should have allowed her to go on unpaid leave to go on a religious pilgrimage. I don't think her request was unreasonable and she has a right to sue.
 
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You realize that lent is an annual event, and a pilgrimage is a once in a lifetime event, right?

Does the school district allow employees to take academic or personal sabbaticals?

I am quite sure they can take vacation, or personal time if they have it accrued...But to demand that she just be granted leave for religious reasons? No other religion could get away with that in the US today without liberals having a cow!


j-mac
 
Re: Muslim woman teacher sues U.S. school after being denied three weeks unpaid leave

You realize that lent is an annual event, and a pilgrimage is a once in a lifetime event, right?

Does the school district allow employees to take academic or personal sabbaticals?

actually the pilgrimage is an annual event. muslims are required to take the hajj AT LEAST once. there are many who do it every year.
 
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I think they should have allowed her to go on unpaid leave to go on a religious pilgrimage. I don't think her request was unreasonable and she has a right to sue.

not many employers will allow you to take unpaid leave for personal reasons (religious or not). she should've saved up her vacation and taken 3 weeks paid leave. that way if they had denied her request to use her earned days of vacation she definitely would have a case.
 
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not many employers will allow you to take unpaid leave for personal reasons (religious or not). she should've saved up her vacation and taken 3 weeks paid leave. that way if they had denied her request to use her earned days of vacation she definitely would have a case.

I don't know the numbers for the average workplace, but I've granted quite a lot of leave - paid or otherwise - for employees who were failthful to the company and who had personal issues come up.

The notion that "no one ever gets it" is ridiculous. I granted it for everything from finals-week for college students to legal issues for others.
 
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I don't know the numbers for the average workplace, but I've granted quite a lot of leave - paid or otherwise - for employees who were failthful to the company and who had personal issues come up.

The notion that "no one ever gets it" is ridiculous. I granted it for everything from finals-week for college students to legal issues for others.

the point is, if it is the school board's policy to not grant it and they have not granted it to others...she has no case for discrimination.
 
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the point is, if it is the school board's policy to not grant it and they have not granted it to others...she has no case for discrimination.

It's discretionary if otherwise not specifically stated.
 
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actually the pilgrimage is an annual event. muslims are required to take the hajj AT LEAST once. there are many who do it every year.

Very very few are allowed back into the country once they perform their obligatory tour. There are too many Muslims who wish to go for Saudi Government to allow a selfish minority to keep coming back
This is a once in a lifetime event for nearly all Muslims
 
Re: Muslim woman teacher sues U.S. school after being denied three weeks unpaid leave

Fine.

So why the lawsuit?

Most likely due to discrimination (real or perceived)

If the school disctrict had an enforced policy not to grant unpaid leave except on emergency issues (ie a family member was involved in a car accident and you had to take care of them) then she should lose the lawsuit.


If however the school disctrict tended to grant unpaid leave, but decided not to grant her unpaid leave (without good reason, such as she teaches a specialized course that a subsitute could not fill in) then she just might have a reasonable case
 
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why is the date such a big deal? they have changed other parts of the ritual for the sake of convenience.

Why don't Christians celebrate Easter in November? Its part of her personal faith and just if you asked a Christian to celebrate Easter in November they'd be as equally uncomfortable in doing so. You can't ask people to change their faith to meet a convenient time line. Also as, you now know, the Islamic calender doesn't match up exactly with our calender, so the exact dates of the Hajj move, always going backward about 2 weeks every year. So in 2008 the Hajj was in late November. Now I have no idea how old this women is but the Hajj won't take place in the Summer till at least the 2020s, also since its a pillar of faith in Islam to go literally every Muslim in the world will at some point think about how he can arrange a trip, and most of them do. The Saudi government has to control who comes and who goes and only permits a certain amount every year for logistics reasons. So its not something you can just schedule willy-nilly whenever you decide to go, it requires serious forethought and planning.

About Islam

Also while rituals may change over the years, the basic ideas generally remain the same. AND again since the Saudis control access to Mecca and the Hajj they decide when people can apply for visa for the Hajj, and a strict Islamic state isn't interested in someone's excuse that they have a job to do, and isn't willing to bend the rules to hold the Hajj year ahead. AND its up to her to decide what parts of her faith to hold and not uphold, just as its her choice which faith to follow or not to follow one at all.

Whats really ridiculous is how many people, who constantly claim to know everything about Islam in other topics, clearly show here they don't understand the basics of the religion.
 
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Very very few are allowed back into the country once they perform their obligatory tour. There are too many Muslims who wish to go for Saudi Government to allow a selfish minority to keep coming back
This is a once in a lifetime event for nearly all Muslims

if that were the case and there are millions who attend each year...you'd think they'd run out of muslims.
 
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if that were the case and there are millions who attend each year...you'd think they'd run out of muslims.

There is a billion Muslims ..... and we have children. I doubt we'll run out for a long time
 
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There is a billion Muslims ..... and we have children. I doubt we'll run out for a long time

yeah, but not all of those billion muslims are physically/financially able to make the trek.
 
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and no one still has answered the question:

why didn't she just save up her vacation and take paid leave to make the hajj? if they had denied her vacation to make the trip, then she'd have an actual case.
 
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There is a billion Muslims ..... and we have children. I doubt we'll run out for a long time

Some of the very highest reproductive rates in the world, as a matter of fact.
 
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yeah, but not all of those billion muslims are physically/financially able to make the trek.

Oh yes but there is still more than enough for new people to enter. The amazing thing is that Saudi Arabia is still trying to expand its access to even remote areas of the Muslim world which can only mean more travellers.

Some of the very highest reproductive rates in the world, as a matter of fact.

Meh, I thought Catholics were high as well. They don't use contraceptives, we do :shrug:
 
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and no one still has answered the question:

why didn't she just save up her vacation and take paid leave to make the hajj? if they had denied her vacation to make the trip, then she'd have an actual case.
wrong!
having accumulated leave does NOT give the employee to take it at the time of their choosing. that is why a request for leave must be tendered ... and approved

whether she had accumulated leave in lieu of requesting leave without pay plays no point in this matter
 
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wrong!
having accumulated leave does NOT give the employee to take it at the time of their choosing. that is why a request for leave must be tendered ... and approved

whether she had accumulated leave in lieu of requesting leave without pay plays no point in this matter

wrong. how many years did you teach in public school? zero?

the request is a formality. leave is like part of your pay, they cannot tell you when/how to spend your pay, they cannot tell you when/how to spend your leave.

she would have a much stronger case if she had tried to use her leave and been denied rather than asking for unpaid leave.

both my parents taught for 30 years and my father was a HS principal for 15. I taught for 11 years and my brother has taught for 23.

I think I might just know a bit about how the system works. :shrug:
 
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wrong. how many years did you teach in public school? zero?

the request is a formality. leave is like part of your pay, they cannot tell you when/how to spend your pay, they cannot tell you when/how to spend your leave.

she would have a much stronger case if she had tried to use her leave and been denied rather than asking for unpaid leave.

both my parents taught for 30 years and my father was a HS principal for 15. I taught for 11 years and my brother has taught for 23.

I think I might just know a bit about how the system works. :shrug:

i am saying you were wrong then and now

that someone accumulates an amount of annual leave does not also give them the right to take it without management authorization

unions often negotiate the process for the processing of leave requests, and what should be found acceptable; once signed, that process for leave taking would be followed. but absent such contract language, there is no right to take earned leave without management approval

and it is very evident you have NO idea how the system works
 
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and no one still has answered the question:

why didn't she just save up her vacation and take paid leave to make the hajj? if they had denied her vacation to make the trip, then she'd have an actual case.

huh? you mean sick days? do teachers GET vacation?
 
Re: Muslim woman teacher sues U.S. school after being denied three weeks unpaid leave

huh? you mean sick days? do teachers GET vacation?


I don't think so, I think my nephew who is a teacher in NC told me that they can opt to spread their salary out in even sums to cover the summer time off. So they do get a check, but it is money already earned so to speak.


j-mac
 
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