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    Re: Muslim woman teacher sues U.S. school after being denied three weeks unpaid leave

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    With that sentiment, Christmas Day can be changed to another day. Same with Easter. Hanukkah can be moved to a different eight days.
    see comment above, I celebrated last christmas this June. FAIL

    What you are asserting should happen (her doing Hajj on a different date) is impossible and ridiculous.
    wrong again, mate. I never asserted that should happen. only questioned why it could not. EPIC FAIL

    Either way, you are still failing to admit (quite pathetic) that you were wrong in your initial statement. This is something that you kept bringing up for 10+ pages, and even when thoroughly refuted, you look for some tangent to rebound your asinine argument off.
    what initial statement? that she had other options available? she did. UBER EPIC FAIL
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    Re: Muslim woman teacher sues U.S. school after being denied three weeks unpaid leave

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    dude, I celebrated christmas 09 this June 10. "they" are the ones making such a big freaking deal out of it. and it really doesn't matter because this lady had other options available to her where she still could've gone during the "required" timeframe. she chose not to use them in order to make a statement...IMHO
    And she quit, which is her right. And this case will most likely get hucked out right quickly too. I don't see the problem. When you have an open court system you'll get fools suing over this and that. I mean, someone is suing McDonald's because of toys in the Happy Meal. Is it absurd? Of course. A waste of time? Definitely. A waste of money? Most certainly. But people are free to do so. She wanted to take the time, it was denied twice, she quit. Right there is the proper response if you somehow put your religious convictions above your financial well being. Suing...ok a bit overboard. But this **** happens all the time and it will be the same as any other pointless, useless lawsuit.
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    Re: Muslim woman teacher sues U.S. school after being denied three weeks unpaid leave

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    see comment above, I celebrated last christmas this June. FAIL
    Now I will act like you: Do you have any physical proof you celebrated last Christmas this June? You are asking her to do something at a later date, when that something is not available to do.
    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    wrong again, mate. I never asserted that should happen. only questioned why it could not. EPIC FAIL
    And after being told repeatedly that it is impossible for anyone to do Hajj at a different time, you went on a complete tanget saying they changed some of the requirements for Hajj. After being thoroughly refuted about those "non-obligatory requirements", you still fail to see why you are wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    what initial statement? that she had other options available? she did. UBER EPIC FAIL
    We already know she had other options available. It's in the original article. Good job finding that...?

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    Re: Muslim woman teacher sues U.S. school after being denied three weeks unpaid leave

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    dude, I celebrated christmas 09 this June 10. "they" are the ones making such a big freaking deal out of it. and it really doesn't matter because this lady had other options available to her where she still could've gone during the "required" timeframe. she chose not to use them in order to make a statement...IMHO
    You didn't really celebrate Christmas. Your celebrated some weird Oscar gift giving session and called it Christmas. Everyone else celebrated Christmas on the day it actually took place on. You essentially came a few months late to a rally it decided your rally was the same as the one held months before. However, the only one there was you. Not exactly a rally.
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    Re: Muslim woman teacher sues U.S. school after being denied three weeks unpaid leave

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Won't happen, I'm hardly an amateur and I could care less what you hate or what the law is in US.

    And I sure hope you are a vegan
    No you don't, because only someone who cares about animals would hope that, and you're not one of them. By your own admission, you're not an amatuer at killing animals. Well, does this mean you work in a slaughterhouse, or that you just kill them for fun, and are really good at it ?

    Whichever is the case, I'd find it hard to believe that killing animals would not be just as illegal in London as it is here in the USA. As for your non-caring attitude, that's one of the fundamental aspects of the criminal mind. And as for you animals out there, get those teeth sharpened up. And sharpen up those horns and hooves, you got some barbaric, uncivilized, animal-killing savages to go to work on. Do it ! Bwa ha ha ha (Burt Reynolds laugh).

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    Re: Muslim woman teacher sues U.S. school after being denied three weeks unpaid leave

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    correction, kids get 2 weeks off for winter break. and other teachers are permitted off for other federal holidays (as is she)

    the only way I can see her having a case is if the school board allows other teachers to take 3 weeks unpaid leave for personal, non-medical reasons.

    when I taught, we accrued 9 personal days per school year. there was no limit to the number of days you could store. why the hell didn't she just save up her vacation days for a couple of years and then take paid vacation for 3 weeks? there would've been nothing they could've done to stop her. they can't deny you vacation you have earned.

    there are too many options that were available to her. she is either stupid or she was looking to make a statement.
    I understand she had been a teacher for only 9 months which would earn her no vacation days and she would be coming back just in time for the winter break.

    It is a big hassle to hire a sub and get any teaching done in the class.

    Her kids would have been at least 1 month behind other classes.

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    Re: Muslim woman teacher sues U.S. school after being denied three weeks unpaid leave

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think they should have allowed her to go on unpaid leave to go on a religious pilgrimage. I don't think her request was unreasonable and she has a right to sue.
    what would happen to you at any job if after being there for 9 months you asked to be absent from your duties for 3 weeks unpaid.

    As an employeer I would consider you a flake and replace you.

    Why didn't she do this pilgrimage the year before she got hired so it did not interfere with her duties to her students?

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    Re: Muslim woman teacher sues U.S. school after being denied three weeks unpaid leave

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    the point is, if it is the school board's policy to not grant it and they have not granted it to others...she has no case for discrimination.
    Maybe she should have worked for somebody else besides the government.

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    Re: Muslim woman teacher sues U.S. school after being denied three weeks unpaid leave

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Most likely due to discrimination (real or perceived)

    If the school disctrict had an enforced policy not to grant unpaid leave except on emergency issues (ie a family member was involved in a car accident and you had to take care of them) then she should lose the lawsuit.


    If however the school disctrict tended to grant unpaid leave, but decided not to grant her unpaid leave (without good reason, such as she teaches a specialized course that a subsitute could not fill in) then she just might have a reasonable case
    Remember usually in December the students are preparing for the end of the semester and a final, so if she wasn't there, her students would fall behind.

    Is that OK?

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    Re: Muslim woman teacher sues U.S. school after being denied three weeks unpaid leave

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    wrong. how many years did you teach in public school? zero?

    the request is a formality. leave is like part of your pay, they cannot tell you when/how to spend your pay, they cannot tell you when/how to spend your leave.

    she would have a much stronger case if she had tried to use her leave and been denied rather than asking for unpaid leave.

    both my parents taught for 30 years and my father was a HS principal for 15. I taught for 11 years and my brother has taught for 23.

    I think I might just know a bit about how the system works.
    How many days of paid leave did you have after 9 months on the job?

    Why was it so important to her to take it in 2008 instead of, like this poster is saying, actually earn the time?

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