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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I agree with this for the most part but I have to ask why this is?

    Why doesn’t the market more aggressively pursue and research alternative sources? If there is enough money to be made for someone who invests the time and money to find a solution, seems to me there would be a bigger push in the private sector.

    I agree with government subsidies when they work but the problem, as I see it, is that they often don’t work and create more problems in the long run and then they are nearly impossible to stop (government inefficiency...ie ethanol).
    Its a risk versus a know comodity. The market is not so big on risk while money is still to made with the known. To pursue alternatives requires a major outlay of exopense and with little certainy of success, it is slow coming, and those out lay costs have to be made up, making anything that did work out, expensive to start with.

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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If green energy is the obvious and wonderful choice, why hasn't the market taken it and run with it? Because it sucks, perhaps? The technology isn't reliable enough to make ti practical?
    The thing about green energy...it doesnt HAVE to all be about battery powered cars (and BTW...you wanna talk disposable battery nightmares...).

    They are doing great things with skylights right now that could eliminate the need for daytime electrical lighting. more efficient insulation would help both in winter and in summer. Radiant heat uses tubing and oil to heat rooms...it takes less energy to heat and the effect of the heat lasts longer. Better windows...better constructed and insulated doors. Heck...convincing folks to open windows in their homes and their cars...getting used to slightly higher temps. LOTS of different things that are viable.

    But at the end of the day...fossil fuels still rule. What I wish people would do is get off their anti or pro fossil fuel bent and focus on things like more efficient polution controls for those systems.

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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Costs more dollars per kilowatt-hour than fossil fuels.
    "The market" tends to not think much beyond that.
    It doesnt just cost more...its not as efficient. And often the costs are overinflated because they know you stick a 'green' sticker on something and some sucker is going to buy it.

    and on that note...Ive still got about 45 peoples worth of carbon credits for all you evil consumers of electricity with a guilty conscience. If you want to buy your way into carbon neutrality...call me. I'll even send you a picture of 'your' trees. But if you want to go on living with the guilt and self loathing of knowing you are destroying the planet and killing children...then...hey...I guess you are on your own...

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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    It doesnt just cost more...its not as efficient. And often the costs are overinflated because they know you stick a 'green' sticker on something and some sucker is going to buy it.

    and on that note...Ive still got about 45 peoples worth of carbon credits for all you evil consumers of electricity with a guilty conscience. If you want to buy your way into carbon neutrality...call me. I'll even send you a picture of 'your' trees. But if you want to go on living with the guilt and self loathing of knowing you are destroying the planet and killing children...then...hey...I guess you are on your own...
    Well, it's kind of the same thing, as far as the market is concerned. A pure market wouldn't care at all if a process was inefficient as long as the product that you did get from it was cheaper than an alternative efficient but more expensive process.

    Like the capture rate of solar panels is pretty dismal last I checked. Wouldn't much matter if it cost $.50/square foot.

    But, my biggest concern is that if we wait until the market declares alternatives energies comparable to fossil fuel sources, oil will be so prohibitively that our economy grinds to a halt. Remember back when it was close to $4/gallon for gas?
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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I think you've got the wrong leak. Unless you meant to go to a Fox news story.
    Sorry about that...

    Go here...Local Harvest.

    Curious...How did this thread migrate from obesity and nutrition to nuclear fussion? Let's bring it back, people.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 12-15-10 at 05:30 PM.

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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Its a risk versus a know comodity. The market is not so big on risk while money is still to made with the known. To pursue alternatives requires a major outlay of exopense and with little certainy of success, it is slow coming, and those out lay costs have to be made up, making anything that did work out, expensive to start with.
    Well, I sincerely appreciate the response but I was looking for something a little beyond economics 101. I don’t mean to sound derogatory when I say that either.

    I’m not an expert in alternative fuels but I’m just curious if anyone is aware of burdensome government restrictions on the development of alternative fuels for example.

    I did a little searching on my own and found that the EPA has a boatload of restrictions on fuels that can be used so I can imagine that would be an inhibitor to research. I’d be pretty ticked off if I spent millions developing fuel from something like algae, only to have the EPA say it was too harmful to the environment.

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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Well, it's kind of the same thing, as far as the market is concerned. A pure market wouldn't care at all if a process was inefficient as long as the product that you did get from it was cheaper than an alternative efficient but more expensive process.

    Like the capture rate of solar panels is pretty dismal last I checked. Wouldn't much matter if it cost $.50/square foot.

    But, my biggest concern is that if we wait until the market declares alternatives energies comparable to fossil fuel sources, oil will be so prohibitively that our economy grinds to a halt. Remember back when it was close to $4/gallon for gas?
    I do...but there really isnt a reason for the gas prices to go so high (more about that in a sec). We have so MUCH fuel that we havent even begun to access. And for all the environmental bull****, most of it is in places that NO ONE goes to. I swear...every time a shovel is put into the ground, an environmentalist loses their wings...And IF there is a finite amount of global oil, there is kind of a benefit to draining all of THEIRS before we get to OURS...but there is certainly a benefit to using ours, as well as natural gas resources.

    now...heres the thing...what is milk...$4 a gallon? And when you think about what is required to GET gasoline...oil is cheap as hell here! It may shock people but gas in the middle east is significantly higher than what it costs us in America. And MUCH of what we pay is actually in the form of taxes.

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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Sorry about that...

    Go here...Local Harvest.

    Curious...How did this thread migrate from obesity and nutrition to nuclear fussion? Let's bring it back, people.
    Kelzie keeps threadjacking...

    or...

    we tried that, and people are bored with the nutrition part. But polite folk are having a side discussion...so...feel free to ignore this part...and press on with the nutrition aspect...

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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Curious...How did this thread migrate from obesity and nutrition to nuclear fussion? Let's bring it back, people.

    It was totally off topic by the time I joined in but I couldn’t help chiming in on the renewable energy topic. My apologies for taking part in the derailing of the original topic herein.

    Perhaps a mod can split the thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I do...but there really isnt a reason for the gas prices to go so high (more about that in a sec). We have so MUCH fuel that we havent even begun to access. And for all the environmental bull****, most of it is in places that NO ONE goes to. I swear...every time a shovel is put into the ground, an environmentalist loses their wings...And IF there is a finite amount of global oil, there is kind of a benefit to draining all of THEIRS before we get to OURS...but there is certainly a benefit to using ours, as well as natural gas resources.

    now...heres the thing...what is milk...$4 a gallon? And when you think about what is required to GET gasoline...oil is cheap as hell here! It may shock people but gas in the middle east is significantly higher than what it costs us in America. And MUCH of what we pay is actually in the form of taxes.
    Not from what I've been reading. We've got another couple decades of cheap oil. The the reserves get dramatically more expensive to access.

    I like the gas prices in Europe. I actually think our government should start raising the tax on gas to slowly wean us off of it. But I'm a liberal.
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