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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I know. And I was mostly....tweakin at ya too. I do thank you for your tax dollars though!

    I do think sometimes the government needs to protect us from the market. My biggest worry right now is our dependence on oil. It's not going to last forever. And I don't trust the market to provide a solution quickly enough. If the government can plan ahead and come up with some feasible alternatives through subsidies or what have you, I'm down with that.
    I hear ya. It might surprise people to know (or maybe not) that the national college debate topic in 1977-78 was (following several Whereas points) Resolved: That the US government should explore independence from foreign oil.

    There is a reason (beyond corporate greed) that we are still reliant on fossil fuels. Plain and simply put, there simply is not a better fuel alternative. Ive read some things about H3...some other more potent fuels, but unless we are ready to embrace nuclear power...right now...well...this is it.

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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

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    I am going to invest in most of that stuff... my next car will be a fuel efficient hybrid. I have more research to do (model, cost, etc).. but some areas where I live, that stuff is really popular so it might depend on your location.
    'Popular' is a relative term. EVERYONE wants to be green (honestly...as a sportsman I dont know of a SINGLE person that enjoys polution and I dont know too many environmentalists that enjoy the outdoors more), but the reality is that some of the green ideas are fine...some are great...but right now...most of them are just pipe.

    not that ANy of this is topical...way to derail a thread Kelzie...
    Even though it is still a fossil fuel, CNG has been proven efficient since the 70's...its just a pain in the ass to drag around a huge heavy tank.

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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    'Popular' is a relative term. EVERYONE wants to be green (honestly...as a sportsman I dont know of a SINGLE person that enjoys polution and I dont know too many environmentalists that enjoy the outdoors more), but the reality is that some of the green ideas are fine...some are great...but right now...most of them are just pipe.

    not that ANy of this is topical...way to derail a thread Kelzie...
    Even though it is still a fossil fuel, CNG has been proven efficient since the 70's...its just a pain in the ass to drag around a huge heavy tank.
    Crap. Anyway, about those fat kids....
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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I hear ya. It might surprise people to know (or maybe not) that the national college debate topic in 1977-78 was (following several Whereas points) Resolved: That the US government should explore independence from foreign oil.

    There is a reason (beyond corporate greed) that we are still reliant on fossil fuels. Plain and simply put, there simply is not a better fuel alternative. Ive read some things about H3...some other more potent fuels, but unless we are ready to embrace nuclear power...right now...well...this is it.
    3H (tritium) and 2H (deuterium) together can be a source of fuel for nuclear fusion, as can He-3 (helium-3). Unfortunately, fusion has not yet shown to be an energy-positive reaction, our current methods of initiating fusion require more energy than we get out of it. He-3 has availability problems, it's rare on earth. Deuterium is easy to get, a gallon of seawater will have the equivalent energy of hundreds of gallons of gasoline, and there's no shortage of seawater. Tritium is radioactive but can be produced by bombarding lithium with neutrons. (and you get energy out of that reaction too)

    Nuclear fission is, for now, the only source of energy that is dense enough and doesn't involve fossil fuels. Fusion will be great if we can figure it out, but until then we need to stop being so terrified of nuclear waste from the nuclear plants we can build now. People get this idea that radioactive waste consists of leaky, dripping barrels of green goo like you see on The Simpsons. It's not particularly dangerous stuff, and we could even reprocess 99% of it as usable fuel if we weren't so terrified of possible proliferation.
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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I know. And I was mostly....tweakin at ya too. I do thank you for your tax dollars though!

    I do think sometimes the government needs to protect us from the market. My biggest worry right now is our dependence on oil. It's not going to last forever. And I don't trust the market to provide a solution quickly enough. If the government can plan ahead and come up with some feasible alternatives through subsidies or what have you, I'm down with that.
    If green energy is the obvious and wonderful choice, why hasn't the market taken it and run with it? Because it sucks, perhaps? The technology isn't reliable enough to make ti practical?
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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If green energy is the obvious and wonderful choice, why hasn't the market taken it and run with it? Because it sucks, perhaps? The technology isn't reliable enough to make ti practical?
    Costs more dollars per kilowatt-hour than fossil fuels.
    "The market" tends to not think much beyond that.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If green energy is the obvious and wonderful choice, why hasn't the market taken it and run with it? Because it sucks, perhaps? The technology isn't reliable enough to make ti practical?
    What Deuce said.
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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Costs more dollars per kilowatt-hour than fossil fuels.
    "The market" tends to not think much beyond that.
    And that is one of the problems with the market. The market has many good features, but things like this keep it from be the cure all to all problems.

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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Costs more dollars per kilowatt-hour than fossil fuels.
    "The market" tends to not think much beyond that.
    I agree with this for the most part but I have to ask why this is?

    Why doesn’t the market more aggressively pursue and research alternative sources? If there is enough money to be made for someone who invests the time and money to find a solution, seems to me there would be a bigger push in the private sector.

    I agree with government subsidies when they work but the problem, as I see it, is that they often don’t work and create more problems in the long run and then they are nearly impossible to stop (government inefficiency...ie ethanol).

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    Re: Michelle Obama has new warning on obesity

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    3H (tritium) and 2H (deuterium) together can be a source of fuel for nuclear fusion, as can He-3 (helium-3). Unfortunately, fusion has not yet shown to be an energy-positive reaction, our current methods of initiating fusion require more energy than we get out of it. He-3 has availability problems, it's rare on earth. Deuterium is easy to get, a gallon of seawater will have the equivalent energy of hundreds of gallons of gasoline, and there's no shortage of seawater. Tritium is radioactive but can be produced by bombarding lithium with neutrons. (and you get energy out of that reaction too)

    Nuclear fission is, for now, the only source of energy that is dense enough and doesn't involve fossil fuels. Fusion will be great if we can figure it out, but until then we need to stop being so terrified of nuclear waste from the nuclear plants we can build now. People get this idea that radioactive waste consists of leaky, dripping barrels of green goo like you see on The Simpsons. It's not particularly dangerous stuff, and we could even reprocess 99% of it as usable fuel if we weren't so terrified of possible proliferation.
    I actually read somewhere that they had found (or believed) that there were significant deposits of H3 on the moon and that if they believed it could be as potent and viable as they thought, then it might trigger a new space race and moon missions.

    maybe part of the problem is that whole Jeff Foxworthy southern accent thing...if Bush didnt walk around all time calling it nookular then people wouldnt think that was the type of guy going to be in charge of the programs!

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