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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Patria Antiqua View Post
    I haven't read the thread. How many liberals have whined about judicial activism?
    One, page six I think.

    Personally, I'm not enormously shocked that a Republican idea would get ruled unconstitutional.
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    None of these court cases matter much till it makes it to the Supreme Court, and that's likely to take a couple years.
    Because all things are not created equal.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I think the flip flop was expected. Obama did not want to tell people it was a tax, so he said it wasn't. Then, when it became clear that they would not be able to use the commerce clause unless it was a tax, it was suddnely a tax again.

    politicians suck.
    True again. However, while I've remained of the opinion that the mandate should have remained at the state level, I support this view only because the citizens of this country refuse to accept a shared responsibility to be taxed in order to provide health care to everyone regardless of their economic standing. Still, I'm convinced that what we received was a decent compromise on the basis that many of the pitfalls (denies) in our health care system have been eliminated; however, the issue of cost reduction remains a problem. Nonetheless, I suspect the SC will rule in favor of the mandate per the circumstances address in my post #63.

    So, once again, get the popcorn ready. This is going to be good.
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    When is a loss not really so bad?

    Excerpted from “Is the Hudson ruling good news for health reform?” By Ezra Klein, The Washington Post, Posted at 1:36 PM ET, 12/13/2010, with my added emphasis
    … [W]hy are health reformers so unexpectedly pleased?

    There are two reasons …

    Hudson ruled against the government, but he didn't stop it (you can read the full opinion here). He refused the plaintiff's request for an injunction against the legislation's continued implementation. The construction of the bill's infrastructure will continue. And second, he refused to overrule anything but the individual mandate itself.
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Judge Who Ruled Health Care Reform Unconstitutional Owns Piece of GOP Consulting Firm | TPM LiveWire
    Henry E. Hudson, the federal judge in Virginia who just ruled health care reform unconstitutional, owns between $15,000 and $50,000 in a GOP political consulting firm that worked against health care reform. You don't say!
    As the Huffington Post and others first noted last July, Hudson's annual financial disclosures show that he owns a sizable chunk of Campaign Solutions, Inc., a Republican consulting firm that worked this election cycle for John Boehner, Michele Bachmann, John McCain, and a whole host of other GOP candidates who've placed the purported unconstitutionality of health care reform at the center of their political platforms. Since 2003, according to the disclosures, Hudson has earned between $32,000 and $108,000 in dividends from his shares in the firm (federal rules only require judges to report ranges of income).


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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, they simply expected a rocky road.
    LOL!

    you can say that again

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    obama's view of universal coverage---buy it yourself---has been perverse from the get go

    in the spring the show me's of missouri (who very famously are remarkably representative of the nation as a whole) voted SEVENTY ONE to TWENTY NINE to outlaw this mendacious mandate

    Prop C passes overwhelmingly

    on november 2, tsunami tuesday, voters in arizona (by a plurality of 11) and oklahoma (by 28) joined the overwhelming majority of show me's

    http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph...tion_106_(2010)

    Oklahoma Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756 (2010) - Ballotpedia

    georgia, idaho, louisiana and virginia have passed laws at the state level striking down the mandate inside their borders

    Health insurance mandate on ballot in 3 states - Health - Health care - msnbc.com

    ag in florida bill mccollum on behalf of TWENTY of his fellows is challenging the requirement that states take on these additional TWELVE MILLION medicaid members WITH NO FEDERAL FUNDING

    the point---legalities aside, these poison pills in the president's plan are prodigiously unpopular

    ie, should john boehner and mitch mcconnell take em on, they will only continue to profit politically

    just like the 1099's requirement, which the gop saved this morning for the 112th, ie, the BOEHNER CONGRESS

    Republicans say nix to Democrats' health law fix - Sarah Kliff and Jennifer Haberkorn - POLITICO.com

    why do so many providers keep trying to ESCAPE?

    More Health Waivers | Jamie Dupree Washington Insider

    is obamacare a gulag, or something?

    why does hhs sebelius keep LETTING EM GO?

    is she scared folks WON'T be able to KEEP THEIR PLANS IF THEY LIKE EM?

    what's she gonna say to the next 222 applicant's?

    how are the states to PAY FOR the 12 million new enrollees?

    Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

    ask bill richardson, christine gregoire, brain schweitzer, jim ritter and tennessee's phil bredesen, all dems

    Dem Governor: Obamacare a ‘Stunning Disappointment’ - By Daniel Foster - The Corner - National Review Online

    why has er traffic actually INCREASED in massachusetts, despite all the pretty promises of this particular payfor?

    ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

    what are patients in the health care ghetto, medicaid, sposed to do when their doctors REFUSE to treat em?

    the point---them's an awful lot of political plums for the reprobates to go picking

    and where's your NEW OBAMA gonna stand in his NEW CENTER?

    LOL!

    you couldn't see this coming?

    HE couldn't?

    rank amateurs

    party on!
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    The above came from some one who repeatedly told us "Health Care reform is dead. Bank on it".
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The above came from some one who repeatedly told us "Health Care reform is dead. Bank on it".
    So far it's headed that way....either that or Obama better get the printing press to start printing those waivers....lol.


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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So far it's headed that way....either that or Obama better get the printing press to start printing those waivers....lol.


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    So far actually it is not headed that way, since most judges have rules that it is constitutional out of those that even heard the challenge. Details, they are important.
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