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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    God, I would love the conversation to open up, and to for it to be a rational discussion.

    Hey Joe, let me give it a try... You made a statement a few pages back twice that the Mass law could not be compared to the federal law passed, and my question to you is why not? Everything I have heard is that the federal law was in large part fashioned after the Mass law. And demo's use that against Romney when ever he makes noises about running for President in order to sink him with the repub base. You demo's can't have it both ways.

    Second, Universal single payer plans, centrally planned by government is IMO not constitutional. Can you tell me why it would be?


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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    For most pathetic congress in history will actually be the ones who voted for the Iraq war and the Patriot Act (without reading it, and yes I'm aware of Nancy's quote on Obamacare). Giving into popular demand instead of what was right. The patriot act is the single most vicious attack on the constitution. But hey, don't let me get in the way if your partisanship.

    Both Democrats and Republicans have screwed your nation down the river.
    I was so relieved that it was a top priorty of Obama and his congress to do away with it.
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, that's a serious misrepresentation. They are having to pay insurance, for when they get it wrong. We pay for a lot of folks who think they won't need insurance, but oops, they were got hurt or ill. Same type of thing brought about mandatory auto insurance.
    I get it already. You don't want to pay for someone who ooops get's hurt with no insurance.
    Why do I get the feeling you don't mind paying for someone who ooops didn't even graduate high school, or ooops got pregnant without the benefit of a father to support the baby?
    Also, isn't it mostly hospital and doctors who absorb the costs for dead beat patients? (not sure, just asking) You guys also act like people without insurance don't pay any doctor/hospital bills. I haven't had insurance for about five yrs, yet I go to the doctor. I get tests done. I pay out of pocket. I get a discount because I pay up front and they don't have to deal with insurance co. or the government. Do I want insurance in case something bad happens and I need hospitalized? Hell yes, but I can't afford it. We do need reform for people like me. Reform that lowers the cost. Unfortunately this bill only makes things worse for everybody.
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It is not exactly the same system, and it's biggest problem is that it isn't large enough. But, a universal payer would be a better system. There is just no will for that today. Sadly. But Mass makes a case that it can't be done effectively on the state level (though I think Hawaii did it better).
    Reminds me of "the stimulus would've worked if it had been bigger"or
    Government scewed up, so their answer to that is MORE government. or
    Money isn't improving a student's education, so they need more money.
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I was so relieved that it was a top priorty of Obama and his congress to do away with it.
    You assume I don't hold him accountable for it...

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    she could always DEEM the damn thing

    House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it - washingtonpost.com

    oh, wait, the hammer's not hers anymore...
    That "Just say NO!" coming from the Dems, cracked me up. :-)
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Reminds me of "the stimulus would've worked if it had been bigger"or
    Government scewed up, so their answer to that is MORE government. or
    Money isn't improving a student's education, so they need more money.
    and the qe didn't work so we gotta do it again

    fannie and fred went under so they need more

    the housing was subprimed so we gotta do mortgage modifications (half of which have already redefaulted)

    wall street needs reg reform but the toobigs musn't be touched

    remember when oblivious obama told the times (david brooks) he'd only just LEARNED there's no such thing as a shovel ready job?!

    LOL!

    meanwhile, er traffic, the suppression of which was sposed to provide the poser president his "payfor," actually turns out to rise

    because the only way all these medicaid patients, dependent on what politico calls an "illusion," can get a doctor to SEE EM is to, y'know, just SHOW UP

    at least that's what THE GLOBE says (and says and says)

    the 60-second-click-and-submit crowd has NO ANSWER for that one

    nor all the other major flaws in this half baked, overpromised and underfunded obamacare

    like the fact that KATHLEEN SEBELIUS has EXEMPTED hundreds of going concerns who are DESPERATE, like east germans, or something, to GET OUT

    them's just a couple of the SALIENT facts

    note how no one of serious bent can take em on
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You assume I don't hold him accountable for it...
    And how do you hold him accountable? What is the repercussion for disappointing you?


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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    I thought the republicans didn't want to work on health care. I thought they wanted the status quo as the well to do are dong just fine. You know, costs will triple in 10 years, more and more of us that pay our premiums will have to pay for those that don't, and more and more employers will have to say you're on your own we can't afford it anymore.
    Then you are miss informed

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....it was the Republican idea to require people to purchase healthcare that was thrown out. Now we need to return to the public option that we should have gotten in the first place.
    so you are you saying the dems have to use GOP ideas and make them worse

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