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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    and this is our entire argument,

    what YOU are saying, or your side is that therefore, obamacare will evntually lower my rates?

    you're friggin kidding me right?
    Not sure that is exactly what I'm saying. Certainly not as it stands now. But I still hope for more work to be done, and yes, if we actually tackle the issue, minus the fear mongering, it might be possible to make something better than not only this bill, but what we ahve without it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Really??? Maybe you should be kind and point out where you showed us all another product or service mandated by the federal government. The judge sure put a lot of credence in my question when he struck down the law.

    Maybe I'm getting hard of seeing in my old age.............or maybe you are lying and didn't answer it at all. I think everyone on this thread can see which one it is.
    Maybe you should try seeing the actual argument. It would help you a lot.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure that is exactly what I'm saying.
    well, when you figure it out, be sure to let us all know

    LOL!

    cuz it's all about you!

    meanwhile, out there in america (which doesn't reallly matter much), why are so many so anxious to ESCAPE?

    and even more, why is hhs LETTING EM GO?

    Approved Applications for Waiver of the Annual Limits Requirements of the PHS Act Section 2711 as of December 3, 2010

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure that is exactly what I'm saying. Certainly not as it stands now. But I still hope for more work to be done, and yes, if we actually tackle the issue, minus the fear mongering, it might be possible to make something better than not only this bill, but what we ahve without it.
    I hear what you are saying, and the only possible plus to this monstrosity of a social program is that it at least opens up the conversation.

    I'm not sure that it is a good opening argument though, and neither do you, you seem quite rational

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    I hear what you are saying, and the only possible plus to this monstrosity of a social program is that it at least opens up the conversation.

    I'm not sure that it is a good opening argument though, and neither do you, you seem quite rational
    God, I would love the conversation to open up, and to for it to be a rational discussion.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Taxing someone for simply living is what tyrants do.

    Funny thing is I use to roll my eyes up at my folks whenever they said that the government was going to eventually tax us for the air we breath...I'm not rolling my eyes anymore.
    You have no choice... You have to pay taxes, it's the law. Stop moaning and groaning and do it like the rest of us do.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Good imitation of the prof method of posting, but you miss a couiple of things:

    1. There are difference in the federal plan and the Mass plan. A direct comparison is not possible.
    okay. regail us with the vast differences in the structures of these plans.

    mandate? check.
    forces insurance companies to take people with preexisting conditions? check.
    offers subsidies to people purchasing insurance on the exchange? check.
    demonstrates disastrously unaware ignorance of how insurance functions? check.

    ...

    2. You and republicans oppose what would be more more effective -- a universal payer.
    of course we do; because it wouldn't be more effective. prior to Obamacare, a solid majority of Americans were satisfied or happy with their health care. meanwhile, More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British adults say their health system needs either "fundamental change" or "complete rebuilding. and they are right. why in the world would we want to move from a good system with problems to a horrible system doomed to collapse?

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    You have no choice... You have to pay taxes, it's the law. Stop moaning and groaning and do it like the rest of us do.

    ricksfolly
    So you think that there's no way to get out of paying taxes?
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So you think that there's no way to get out of paying taxes?

    Every time you purchase gas you are paying a tax.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Every time you purchase gas you are paying a tax.
    Don't need to purchase gas if you don't drive. Try again.
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