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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    public option?

    someone needs to buy a tv

    Capitol Briefing - Conrad Sees Little Chance for Public Option

    Democratic senator: Public health insurance option dead – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

    nope, this bill as written is as far as it's gonna go

    you think the president who caved on tax cuts for the rich is gonna pick up the po

    absurd

    meanwhile, doctors are dumping medicaid coast to coast, firms are asking out in droves and being allowed to go, the states are mandated to pick up 12 million new enrollees without funding, er traffic actually increases which means even more of the cost is passed on...

    but, hey it's a START

    LOL!

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I had hoped, after DADT being repealed, America would indeed advance into the 20th century.

    Looks like it's not quite time, yet.

    A shame.

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    omg, someone tell me we are not being schooled about our plans for health care by someone from England, and or France

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    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    "The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few or the one."

    It may sound crazy, but that's pretty much what's starting to happen in our health care system. The "many" are those who pay health care premiums. The "few" arguably are those on Medicaid (or Medicare, except I think it could be argued our senior citizens have paid their dues toward the health care system either by having been a former participant while part of the working class or via paying into SSN) and the "one" being that individual who's merely taking advantage of the system, thereby raising our rates.

    Now, I agree with you that it would be beneficial to us all if hospitals did go after those individuals who don't pay, but there again is the rub. Hospitals would simply pass on those cost to their paying customers - the insured - especially if they can't find those individuals who welched out on the deal OR it turns out the non-paying customer somehow won his case against the medical facility. Thus, we're right back where we started.
    Can't find, or can't make them pay. It cost money to go after someone. So, cost go up even more.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The answer is essential in answering your question. The reason this is argued is because we pay for those who act irresponsible. As I have said, a public option would have been better, and a single payer even better, but let's not lose sight of what is being argued. We have mandatory auot insurance to protect others from the irresponsible drivers who drive uninsured. This is the same rational for having mandatory health insurance. Unless you can opt out by assuring you will never use services you can't pay for, whihc would be few, and thos epeople likley insured anyway, you need health insurance. So the argument is the same, and it is the same regardless of how many it effects.
    No, we have car insurance for accidents. Not for the irresponsibility of others for not having car insurance.
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The answer is essential in answering your question. The reason this is argued is because we pay for those who act irresponsible. As I have said, a public option would have been better, and a single payer even better, but let's not lose sight of what is being argued. We have mandatory auot insurance to protect others from the irresponsible drivers who drive uninsured. This is the same rational for having mandatory health insurance. Unless you can opt out by assuring you will never use services you can't pay for, whihc would be few, and thos epeople likley insured anyway, you need health insurance. So the argument is the same, and it is the same regardless of how many it effects.
    None of this makes a bit of difference. The federal government CANNOT mandate that all citizens buy a commercial product, period. This was decided by one judge and soon another will make the same ruling.

    I'll take your shuffling around the question as inability to name another product or service mandated by the federal government. Does the federal government require my 10 year old grandaughter to buy auto insurance ??? Does the state ??

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No, we have car insurance for accidents. Not for the irresponsibility of others for not having car insurance.
    Yes, accidents with those who can't pay for their damages. So, no, you have not rebutted my argument.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Obamacare has zero chance to take hold ZERO.. So we are right to be debating other possible solutions, not on whether or not Obamacare will work

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    None of this makes a bit of difference. The federal government CANNOT mandate that all citizens buy a commercial product, period. This was decided by one judge and soon another will make the same ruling.

    I'll take your shuffling around the question as inability to name another product or service mandated by the federal government. Does the federal government require my 10 year old grandaughter to buy auto insurance ??? Does the state ??
    That will be decided in the courts.

    And you take sopmething anyway you want, but don't think I put any credence in your question as I have answered with the reasoning behind my assurtion. Too often people get stuck on a silly idea and think it answers all things. It makes no difference if any other produce or insurance is mandated on all. The reason behind the all is what matters. If all had to drive, all would be within the mandate. As all will need health care somtime, all are within the mandate. You have been answered.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    Obamacare has zero chance to take hold ZERO.. So we are right to be debating other possible solutions, not on whether or not Obamacare will work
    It may be low, but I'm not sure about zero. But whether it takes hold or not, we do need to work on the next step in imporving the first step. That is a must IMHO.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That will be decided in the courts.

    And you take sopmething anyway you want, but don't think I put any credence in your question as I have answered with the reasoning behind my assurtion. Too often people get stuck on a silly idea and think it answers all things. It makes no difference if any other produce or insurance is mandated on all. The reason behind the all is what matters. If all had to drive, all would be within the mandate. As all will need health care somtime, all are within the mandate. You have been answered.
    Really??? Maybe you should be kind and point out where you showed us all another product or service mandated by the federal government. The judge sure put a lot of credence in my question when he struck down the law.

    Maybe I'm getting hard of seeing in my old age.............or maybe you are lying and didn't answer it at all. I think everyone on this thread can see which one it is.

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