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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You can not possibly be serious. It's bankrupting the state.
    no, its not bankrupting the state,
    Entitlements are bankrupting Massachusetts.

    But I think Massachusetts is a good argument to what happens when you mandate something to millions of people who have no interest in taking care of themselves.
    The do nothings either ignore it and you have to chase them down, which is a huge cost, or they wiggle their way onto it with the least cost to themselves.
    thereby effectively becoming another social program that they stay on forever, unless...

    you chase them down, therby creating huge cost. It's a merry go round to them.
    like welfare, public housing, etc. etc.
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    5 Painful Health-Care Lessons from Massachusetts

    The federal plan will encounter the same problem -- perhaps a more acute one since its penalties are lower and its subsidies go much higher on the income scale...
    Good imitation of the prof method of posting, but you miss a couiple of things:

    1. There are difference in the federal plan and the Mass plan. A direct comparison is not possible.

    2. You and republicans oppose what would be more more effective -- a universal payer.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No the misrepresentation is couching it in the "good for all" mantra. Taxing me for living is exactly what it is when you boil it down to the bare essence. And there is nothing that you can say to remove that fact.
    Other than that isn't a fact you mean?

    That isn't what it boils down to. it boils down to the exact same argument as auto insurance. You protect people from the costs occured by the irresponsible. You can ignore that, pretend it is something else, but that doesn't change the what the argument really is, . . . factually.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    hey! lookit that! Massachusetts is suffering from the exact same problems that ole cpwill predicted would come from Obamacare! wow, whatta coincidence....
    Not so fast, pardna...

    The health care law has different levels of covered benefits - bronze, silver, gold, plantinum (see Section 1302(d), "Levels of Coverage"), and calls for two specialty plans - catastrophic plan (see Section 1302(e)) and child-only plans (see Section 1302(f)). Furthermore, the cost of premiums for each plan is determined by the insurance market, not the federal government nor the States.

    Here's something else most people misinterpret about the health care reform law: the individual mandate only applies if two or more states join together and offer "nationwide health plans". (See Section 1333, page 88 for details)

    HR 3590, "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act"
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Not so fast, pardna...

    The health care law has different levels of covered benefits - bronze, silver, gold, plantinum (see Section 1302(d), "Levels of Coverage"), catastrophic plan (see Section 1302(e)) and child-only plans (see Section 1302(f)). Furthermore, the cost of premiums for each plan is determined by the insurance market, not the federal government nor the States.

    Here's something else most people misinterpret about the health care reform law: the individual mandate only applies if two or more states form "nationwide health plans". (See Section 1333, page 88 for details)

    HR 3590, "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act"
    What? facts? How dare you!!!!



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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What? facts? How dare you!!!!


    FACT: There...is...no...money...to....pay....for...this.

    Someday, you guys will run out of other people's money to spend. Then what?

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    FACT: There...is...no...money...to....pay....for...this.

    Someday, you guys will run out of other people's money to spend. Then what?
    No money to pay for two needless wars either, but there you go. And frankly, no money to pay for the status quo either, but that is what too many are willing to settle for. So, instead of trying to stand still, letting things get worse and worse, ebncourage your leaders to move forward and fix this bill so that it is better, . . .with say a public option or maybe being real bold and go for a universal payer.


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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No money to pay for two needless wars either, but there you go. And frankly, no money to pay for the status quo either, but that is what too many are willing to settle for. So, instead of trying to stand still, letting things get worse and worse, ebncourage your leaders to move forward and fix this bill so that it is better, . . .with say a public option or maybe being real bold and go for a universal payer.
    Say bye, bye to the best and brightest going to medical school. A huge percentage of today's doctors would simply refuse to participate, or they'd retire tomorrow.

    That would be a catastrophe of the highest order.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

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    Other than that isn't a fact you mean?

    That isn't what it boils down to. it boils down to the exact same argument as auto insurance. You protect people from the costs occured by the irresponsible. You can ignore that, pretend it is something else, but that doesn't change the what the argument really is, . . . factually.

    It's very simple to not have auto insurance. Just don't own a car or drive one.

    Now, tell me, how exactly am I suppose to not have health insurance?

    See the difference? One you can opt out of. The other you cannot. Major differences. One you opt out of. The other you pay for as long as you breath. Major differences.

    Sorry, but the car insurance excuse was an ill concieved idea considering you...oh yeah...DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT! Do I have a choice in weather or not I breath? No? Do I have a choice in weather I can drive? Yes.
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    I had hoped, after DADT being repealed, America would indeed advance into the 20th century.

    Looks like it's not quite time, yet.

    A shame.

    XD

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