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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You're statement to Will here only applies if you believe that CPWill is inherently dishonest. Now come on Joe, we have both known him for some time now, and dishonest is something I wouldn't use to label will's debate style....So let's knock that off can we?


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    Not good idea to discuss other posters. I've said exactly what I mean.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not good idea to discuss other posters. I've said exactly what I mean.
    I know you have, I find that disappointing. You really have lessened yourself in my eyes Joe.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I know you have, I find that disappointing. You really have lessened yourself in my eyes Joe.

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    **** happens j. But if you were more objective, you might see why I said what I said. But, none of that matters. Have anything important to add?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    lets get back on topic with the very basic premise that Forcing someone to buy something is unconstitutional in the purest form of the charge,
    IF its not going to harm someone and or doesnt affect others adversly.

    Auto Insurance because you may wreck someone elses car for instance. Or taxes because you do use the roads, and the government services are available to you for the common good of all.
    *point being dont try to compare Health Insurance to other things, unless*

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    lets get back on topic with the very basic premise that Forcing someone to buy something is unconstitutional in the purest form of the charge,
    IF its not going to harm someone and or doesnt affect others adversly.

    Auto Insurance because you may wreck someone elses car for instance. Or taxes because you do use the roads, and the government services are available to you for the common good of all.
    *point being dont try to compare Health Insurance to other things, unless*
    You mean, like if you want to drive, you have to auto insurance? If you want to drive, you are forced or face penalties. The only difference is you really can't say you won't use health care. but, that is the only real difference. And they compare because if you guess wrong, and get seriously injuried or ill, we all pay for it. You can try and pretend otherwise, but it won't hold. The premise is the same: you have to have insurace so that others don't pay for your irresponsibility.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    sure, cbo doug elmendorf found obamacare DOUBLE COUNTS a full QUARTER T

    Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

    but, hey, it's a START!

    LOL!

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You mean, like if you want to drive, you have to auto insurance? If you want to drive, you are forced or face penalties. The only difference is you really can't say you won't use health care. but, that is the only real difference. And they compare because if you guess wrong, and get seriously injuried or ill, we all pay for it. You can try and pretend otherwise, but it won't hold. The premise is the same: you have to have insurace so that others don't pay for your irresponsibility.
    that argument would hold up if we all payed the same, for comparable benefits, as with auto insurance.
    this health care isnt anything of the kind, its all over the spectrum and unfair. therefore unconstitutional.

    you want the same doctors, benefits, etc but want it for a fraction of what I pay, hows that going to work?

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm not surprised by this. This was the Republican alternative to the "public option" that they voted for before they voted against it. Obama was a fool to try to negotiate with them and as a result we ended up with this Republican idea in the health-care bill (that they voted against anyway) instead of a true public option. I hope that this gets stricken down and as a result we get TRUE healthcare reform including a public-option. That is what we should have gotten in the first place (and would have) if it hadn't been for the "party of no" ideas.
    When did Obama negotiate with Republicans?
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You mean, like if you want to drive, you have to auto insurance? If you want to drive, you are forced or face penalties. The only difference is you really can't say you won't use health care. but, that is the only real difference. And they compare because if you guess wrong, and get seriously injuried or ill, we all pay for it. You can try and pretend otherwise, but it won't hold. The premise is the same: you have to have insurace so that others don't pay for your irresponsibility.
    Taxing someone for simply living is what tyrants do.

    Funny thing is I use to roll my eyes up at my folks whenever they said that the government was going to eventually tax us for the air we breath...I'm not rolling my eyes anymore.
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Taxing someone for simply living is what tyrants do.

    Funny thing is I use to roll my eyes up at my folks whenever they said that the government was going to eventually tax us for the air we breath...I'm not rolling my eyes anymore.
    No, that's a serious misrepresentation. They are having to pay insurance, for when they get it wrong. We pay for a lot of folks who think they won't need insurance, but oops, they were got hurt or ill. Same type of thing brought about mandatory auto insurance.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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