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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You mean silly arguments like claiming that most Iowans don't understand the law or the ruling, with your only proof being casual conversations with a few strangers on the street ???

    That kind of silly argument ??
    Is there any reason to belive that most read the ruling? Any at all. Too many listen to people like Beck and Limbaugh, and talking heads that merely promote misunderstandings. And much of the financing for the effort to remove the judges came from out of state. The ads were very misleading and inaccurate. So, it is unlikley that many, if any significant number, actually read the ruling.

    So, no, my statement is no where near as silly as your legislators are the same as judges arguement.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Is there any reason to belive that most read the ruling? Any at all. Too many listen to people like Beck and Limbaugh, and talking heads that merely promote misunderstandings. And much of the financing for the effort to remove the judges came from out of state. The ads were very misleading and inaccurate. So, it is unlikley that many, if any significant number, actually read the ruling.

    So, no, my statement is no where near as silly as your legislators are the same as judges arguement.
    No where did I make the claim that legislators are the same as judges. You made that up out of whole cloth based on nothing I wrote. You made the claim that we would not conduct a vote to determine the best medical treatment because we should leave it up to "experts". I was merely showing that politicians with no experience in law are voted in and out by the people, yet they are the ones that write the laws that govern our daily lives.

    Is there any reason to believe that most did NOT read the ruling, other than your "man on the street" interviews? I don't recall Limbaugh or Beck commenting on Iowa's knowledge of the ruling. But you seem to listen to them more than I, so maybe you are right.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    No where did I make the claim that legislators are the same as judges. You made that up out of whole cloth based on nothing I wrote. You made the claim that we would not conduct a vote to determine the best medical treatment because we should leave it up to "experts". I was merely showing that politicians with no experience in law are voted in and out by the people, yet they are the ones that write the laws that govern our daily lives.

    Is there any reason to believe that most did NOT read the ruling, other than your "man on the street" interviews? I don't recall Limbaugh or Beck commenting on Iowa's knowledge of the ruling. But you seem to listen to them more than I, so maybe you are right.
    Which is different than experts, like doctors, mechanics and judges. They are not the same.

    And yes, there is reason to believe they didn't. One in their arguements of judicial activism. That suggests they didn't read the ruling. Two, as I said, I've talkied to many. And third, most people don't have the time or the inclination to research such things. So there is reason to believe it likley that most did not read the ruling.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Other professions like our lawmakers ??? Would you let people that know nothing about law write the laws that govern us ???

    Oh wait, you already do.

    It's obvious you know NOTHING about Iowans if you think they are all ignorant. But your attitude is typical of many libs. Everybody is ignorant except the enlightened ones (liberals).
    As evidenced by your own words, your attitude isn't all that great either, too arrogant, too self serving, too cynical, too political...

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Which is different than experts, like doctors, mechanics and judges. They are not the same.

    And yes, there is reason to believe they didn't. One in their arguements of judicial activism. That suggests they didn't read the ruling. Two, as I said, I've talkied to many. And third, most people don't have the time or the inclination to research such things. So there is reason to believe it likley that most did not read the ruling.
    Ahh yes, I keep forgetting that you talked to each and every person in Iowa.

    Their arguement

    They didn't read the ruling

    Most don't have time or the inclination

    Where is the proof you demand from everyone but yourself ????

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    As evidenced by your own words, your attitude isn't all that great either, too arrogant, too self serving, too cynical, too political...

    ricksfolly
    Too political ???

    Hmm, thought this board was called "Debate Politics" ????

    Maybe you're on the wrong forum.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Ahh yes, I keep forgetting that you talked to each and every person in Iowa.

    Their arguement

    They didn't read the ruling

    Most don't have time or the inclination

    Where is the proof you demand from everyone but yourself ????
    Didn't say that, so your sarachism is misplaced.

    And what I say really isn't that controversial:

    Public Knowledge of Current Affairs Little Changed by News and Information Revolutions: Summary of Findings - Pew Research Center for the People & the Press

    Public Knowledge: Senate Legislative Process a Mystery to Many - Pew Research Center

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Hmmm, looked at both links and can't find Iowa mentioned in either. Guess you wasted your time.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Hmmm, looked at both links and can't find Iowa mentioned in either. Guess you wasted your time.
    You're mising the point. Both show that most are not involved enough to actually look these things up and read them. Most are too busy living life to do these things. Again, it is not a controvestial thought.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're mising the point. Both show that most are not involved enough to actually look these things up and read them. Most are too busy living life to do these things. Again, it is not a controvestial thought.
    We weren't talking about "most" people were we? We were talking about Iowans. I'll await your proof with bated breath.

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