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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Knowing Iowans as I do, I would bet they are very familiar with the law and the ruling. Iowans pride themselves on being politically savvy. That's why they stubbornly cling to their caucus. They love to get together and hash out things one on one.

    The rest of your post is nonsense. You proved your own theory incorrect, which I doubt was your intent.
    I know Iowans pretty well myself, and no, I doubt they know the law on the whole or even read the ruling.

    So, explain, you would let people vote on your doctor's treatment plan? Now, I know it's easier not to address the point. But that is exactly what you're claiming. Not making a legal argument, but that those who aren't experts can vote against what those who know judge. You have to be able to apply that belief to other professions as well.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

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    I don't pretend I know as much as those who study law
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    It is what it is, and it is the correct reading of the law, like it or not.
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I know Iowans pretty well myself, and no, I doubt they know the law on the whole or even read the ruling.

    So, explain, you would let people vote on your doctor's treatment plan? Now, I know it's easier not to address the point. But that is exactly what you're claiming. Not making a legal argument, but that those who aren't experts can vote against what those who know judge. You have to be able to apply that belief to other professions as well.
    Other professions like our lawmakers ??? Would you let people that know nothing about law write the laws that govern us ???

    Oh wait, you already do.

    It's obvious you know NOTHING about Iowans if you think they are all ignorant. But your attitude is typical of many libs. Everybody is ignorant except the enlightened ones (liberals).

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's interesting.

    If we are going to force insurance companies to insure those with pre-existing conditions, we've GOT to have everybody in the plan. I don't know how healthcare can work without it.

    Although, an appeal to SCOTUS may change that opinion...
    i agree with you except the nagging 10% unemployment if you are going to force everyone to get health insurance than you need to force everyone to get a job and force the employer to offer insurance to pay for it.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    I think it is clear now that this bill was thrown together with nary a minute of actual consideration or debate, purely to try to get Obama's name in a 7th-grade history book 10 years from now. Dems passed it without so much flipping through the stupid thing.

    They'll be in the history books, but not for his intended reason.

    This Congress will go down as the most pathetic in American history, with bug-eyed Nancy and Komrade Reid's faces all over it.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Other professions like our lawmakers ??? Would you let people that know nothing about law write the laws that govern us ???

    Oh wait, you already do.

    It's obvious you know NOTHING about Iowans if you think they are all ignorant. But your attitude is typical of many libs. Everybody is ignorant except the enlightened ones (liberals).
    First, judges are not writing the law. It is ignorant to argue they are. That's why I keep asking that you and others actually read their rulling.

    Second, judges know nothing about the law? That too is an ignorant proposition.

    And third, I never said all Iowans were ignorant (a word you seem to be interpreting as stupid, which is actually a different thought). But, I do doubt that many have read the ruling. Without doing that, you can't know how well they addressed the law. Instead, you rely on home spun comments and myths, whihc are often wrong.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This Congress will go down as the most pathetic in American history
    wednesday: Congress' Job Approval Rating Worst in Gallup History

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    First, judges are not writing the law. It is ignorant to argue they are. That's why I keep asking that you and others actually read their rulling.

    Second, judges know nothing about the law? That too is an ignorant proposition.
    Reading and comprehending is helpful before writing a post that makes you look foolish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill
    Other professions like our lawmakers ???
    Do judges write laws, well some do but that's another thread. LAWMAKERS means those that make and write our laws, i.e. politicians.

    Now... what were you saying about ignorant statements ???

    And third, I never said all Iowans were ignorant (a word you seem to be interpreting as stupid, which is actually a different thought). But, I do doubt that many have read the ruling. Without doing that, you can't know how well they addressed the law. Instead, you rely on home spun comments and myths, whihc are often wrong.
    Ok, I'll bite. How many Iowans haven't read or understand the law ??? I'm sure you know since you claim most didn't.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Reading and comprehending is helpful before writing a post that makes you look foolish.
    I read an comprehen just fine. They don't have to write laws, or know about writing laws to know the law. You're making a meaningless distinction and somehow think it profound. It isn't.


    Do judges write laws, well some do but that's another thread. LAWMAKERS means those that make and write our laws, i.e. politicians.
    Again, while writing a law takes skill, there is little to sugegst those we elect are skilled at doing so. For example, would you argue that Al Franken is likely to know much about writing laws? You start with a faulty premise, and ingore that judges understand LAW. And I suspect many know more about writing them than some in congress do.

    Ok, I'll bite. How many Iowans haven't read or understand the law ??? I'm sure you know since you claim most didn't.
    Can you tell me how many?

    I live here, and I talk daily to people who voted against them and I have yet to meet one who has read the ruling. They can quote talking head idiots, but not one knows what the ruling said.

    Now, I assume some have read it. But I would be shocked if you could prove most did. What do you base your notion on?

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I think it is clear now that this bill was thrown together with nary a minute of actual consideration or debate, purely to try to get Obama's name in a 7th-grade history book 10 years from now. Dems passed it without so much flipping through the stupid thing.

    They'll be in the history books, but not for his intended reason.

    This Congress will go down as the most pathetic in American history, with bug-eyed Nancy and Komrade Reid's faces all over it.
    For most pathetic congress in history will actually be the ones who voted for the Iraq war and the Patriot Act (without reading it, and yes I'm aware of Nancy's quote on Obamacare). Giving into popular demand instead of what was right. The patriot act is the single most vicious attack on the constitution.

    But hey, don't let me get in the way if your partisanship.

    Both Democrats and Republicans have screwed your nation down the river.

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