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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, you see judges like representatives, not obligated to law, but whores for public opinion polls? Is that your ideal?
    That's how the law sees it .... don't like it, try and get it changed.

    Do you see judges as infallible gods ??? Sure looks like it.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    That's how the law sees it .... don't like it, try and get it changed.

    Do you see judges as infallible gods ??? Sure looks like it.
    No, but I trust a mechanic to know more than I do. A doctor to know more than I do. And a judge to more than I do. And I read their rulings. When they point to the law, then the debate is about the law, and not that judges are evil people.

    And for the record, I am working to change the law in Iowa. I want judges held accountabe for being competent and following the law, and not to appeasing public opinion.
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, but I trust a mechanic to know more than I do. A doctor to know more than I do. And a judge to more than I do. And I read their rulings. When they point to the law, then the debate is about the law, and not that judges are evil people.

    And for the record, I am working to change the law in Iowa. I want judges held accountabe for being competent and following the law, and not to appeasing public opinion.
    Different mechanics can have different opinions on how to replace a piston, different doctors can diagnose symptoms completely differently, and different judges can interpret the law differently.

    Perhaps the voters in Iowa didn't feel the judges were competent or followed the law. Who are you to challenge that ??

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Different mechanics can have different opinions on how to replace a piston, different doctors can diagnose symptoms completely differently, and different judges can interpret the law differently.

    Perhaps the voters in Iowa didn't feel the judges were competent or followed the law. Who are you to challenge that ??

    Granted there are different ways to skin a cat but in the end the goal is to skin a cat.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Different mechanics can have different opinions on how to replace a piston, different doctors can diagnose symptoms completely differently, and different judges can interpret the law differently.

    Perhaps the voters in Iowa didn't feel the judges were competent or followed the law. Who are you to challenge that ??
    Sure they can, just as different judges can, but if you go to five, ten or 12 mechanics, and they all say the same thing, what's the odds they are all wrong? If you get a second, third or ten opinion on a medical condition from doctors and they all say the same thing, what are the odds they are all wrong? Would you trust your life on the popular vote? if a majority said the doctor got it wrong, and vote for you not to receive the life saving treatment, would you go with the majority?

    How many Iowans do you think really know the law? Seriously? How many do you think even read the ruling?

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sure they can, just as different judges can, but if you go to five, ten or 12 mechanics, and they all say the same thing, what's the odds they are all wrong? If you get a second, third or ten opinion on a medical condition from doctors and they all say the same thing, what are the odds they are all wrong? Would you trust your life on the popular vote? if a majority said the doctor got it wrong, and vote for you not to receive the life saving treatment, would you go with the majority?

    How many Iowans do you think really know the law? Seriously? How many do you think even read the ruling?
    Knowing Iowans as I do, I would bet they are very familiar with the law and the ruling. Iowans pride themselves on being politically savvy. That's why they stubbornly cling to their caucus. They love to get together and hash out things one on one.

    The rest of your post is nonsense. You proved your own theory incorrect, which I doubt was your intent.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Looks like Obama care may not happen

    Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    A federal judge has ruled that part of President Obama's health care reform legislation is unconstitutional.
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    The judge obviously didn't do his home work, there are already many cases of forced participation, clear legal precedents, Social Security, Income Tax, FDIC, closed shop unions, auto insurance, schools...

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
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    The judge obviously didn't do his home work, there are already many cases of forced participation, clear legal precedents, Social Security, Income Tax, FDIC, closed shop unions, auto insurance, schools...

    ricksfolly
    Name one thing the federal government forces all American citizens to buy from private companies.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
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    The judge obviously didn't do his home work, there are already many cases of forced participation, clear legal precedents, Social Security, Income Tax, FDIC, closed shop unions, auto insurance, schools...

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    You do not HAVE to buy auto insurance... you can choose not to own a car, so you would not have to then buy insurance.

    You cannot choose not to breath.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Wait, so you're suggesting they found a judge that was more likely to support them to judge the case?

    What a novel concept!
    Actually, yes, they did! But that's not uncommon. Pres. G. W. Bush found all kinds of lower district judges who Conservative who supported his position on evidence surpression against terrorist detainees and got them to rule his way.

    Point is both sides do it. It's the main reason Presidents since FDR lick their chops whenever a vacacy occurs anywhere within the judiciary so that can nominate and/or appoint anyone they choose to the bench who share their political views. It happens...not much we can do about it 'cept call/write your Senator and complain about the nominee...if you understand the tactic and what may be coming down the pipe.

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