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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The only way this becomes legal is if they convert this into a healthcare TAX. As currently structured, it's not constitutional. It's like forcing people to buy Jets season tickets. You can't do it.

    So who here wants to see another item under Medicare and FICA on their checkstub? Say, about 8-10 percent?
    Let's assume the SCOTUS upholds the healthcare reform and let's assume the courts see it as a tax and there are no issues with the commerce act. The House then defunds the bill because they hold the purse strings, and it dies on the vine. There are so many ways to kill this, that the legal method is just one way. What liberals have to get used to knowing is, the abortion named "Affordable Health Care Act" of 2010 will not be fully enacted and will not see the light of day after January 5th 2011. It's going to either die and be replaced or there will be attempts to fix it. If it's veto'd by the President, it will be removed or die from no funding. So Obama spent a year pushing an unpopular bill which finally was passed to all the yippee's of the progressive left - until we find out it actually RAISES costs instead of cutting them, and we find out that hundreds of exemptions are divvied out to all the President's pets - ie., unions. It was a steaming pile of ****, and it's still a steaming pile of ****, but thankfully, the people will not have to smell it all that longer.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    thank you,

    and in addition to this extra deduction from our paycheck, we still have to buy our own healthcare out of whats left.
    And I am already paying 8k a year for that, cash, right off the top.

    how this is fair or will somehow "eventually" benefit me too is beyond me.
    It takes a lot of money to give couch potatoes the heart transplants they need.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And if the courts rule against your preferred choice of a mandate, then you will be fine with that?

    Ok.
    Do? I will do nothing. But I would prefer the public option come back into play.


    Yes, it can not be done without straying from constitutional constraints and imposing it.
    Not sure that is true.




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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Things are not always what they seem. Looks like legal eagles regardless of political posture find holes in the judges decision.
    Amateur Hour: VA Judge Makes Elementary Error In Health Care Ruling | TPMDC

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Martin View Post
    Things are not always what they seem. Looks like legal eagles regardless of political posture find holes in the judges decision.
    Amateur Hour: VA Judge Makes Elementary Error In Health Care Ruling | TPMDC
    Ya'dathunk that since this is so cut and dried this would have been done...what...230 years ago or so...

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Some live in Iowa.
    They may live in Iowa, but they don't work there anymore, at least not as judges. All three that ruled in favor of gay marriage that were up for reelection got booted out of office by the people.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    They may live in Iowa, but they don't work there anymore, at least not as judges. All three that ruled in favor of gay marriage that were up for reelection got booted out of office by the people.
    Yes, but if they followed the law, and the next group also follow the law, then what? We're saying we don't want judges to follow the law?

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, but if they followed the law, and the next group also follow the law, then what? We're saying we don't want judges to follow the law?
    Interpretation of the law is subjective in many cases. The people of Iowa obviously didn't like the judges' interpretation and told them so with their vote.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ya'dathunk that since this is so cut and dried this would have been done...what...230 years ago or so...
    A lot of decisions have been made over the years that were not decided 230 years ago. Stay tuned for more in the future.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Interpretation of the law is subjective in many cases. The people of Iowa obviously didn't like the judges' interpretation and told them so with their vote.
    I wish those who complain of activist judges would remember that, but there is some objectivity to it as well, and when judge after judge after judge rules the same way, we have to conclude that there is something to the legal point. And what the people are doing in iowa is really saying screw the law. That's not a positive development.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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