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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    As I said,
    you find a way to get it out of the house with "funding" and we will talk about your popcorn feast.

    Some of you make things too complicated..

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you really (are you serious? Are you serious??? NP) believe that there will be private insurance 5-10 years from now? And who is 'poor'? Is it anyone under the $250k cap? Anyone under the poverty level? And how much is that going to jack up the costs (which is why they will eventually insist the only answer is increasing taxes and offering universal healthcare...sure...you can pay for insurance...again...)? How many employers will just pay the fine (considering the fine is projected to be less than the cost of providing coverage)? And how many more business will get 'waivers' so they wont be included in the requirment to provide coverage for their employees?

    I see one future...shut down medicare, medicaid, coverage for seniors, shut down VA hospitals: one system...universal healthcare. For all except the very wealthy who will pay for private doctors or go to another country for their healthcare.
    But that's what's so hilariously sad about this entire state of affairs. Conservatives could and SHOULD have done something about this 17 YEARS AGO after HillaryCare was voted down in '93. They knew health care costs were spiralling out of control. They knew people were being denied medical coverage. They knew families were one catastrophic illness or injury away from filing bankruptcy due to high medical cost. They knew tort reform was a big financial burden on doctors, surgeons and hospitals. And they knew Medicare and Medicaid (not to mention the cost to VA Hospitals) were skyrocketing, and yet they did nothing in that 17 year period except play political games, i.e., the individual mandate was a good thing when they included it in health care reform then but suddenly once health care reform passes it's a bad idea and it's unconstitutional? And it was their idea!!

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    As I said,
    you find a way to get it out of the house with "funding" and we will talk about your popcorn feast.

    Some of you make things too complicated..
    I'm not making it complicated. I'm just stating fact of which you countered with congressional appropriations which isn't a repeal but rather a stalling tactic.

    If Republicans want to repeal the health reform law then repeal it! But they'd better come up with something far better than what they'd tear down or they're likely to regret their action should things ever come to that.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 12-13-10 at 07:14 PM.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's not going to be implemented until 2014, so it's not exactly a big deal.
    LOL maybe you didn't realize.. but none of this is "exactly a big deal" until the case is decided by the Supreme Court. Until then, we get to discuss lower court decisions.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    LOL maybe you didn't realize.. but none of this is "exactly a big deal" until the case is decided by the Supreme Court. Until then, we get to discuss lower court decisions.
    Maybe you did not realize, but I was responding to your point that it not being implemented now was some sort of victory.
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Maybe you did not realize, but I was responding to your point that it not being implemented now was some sort of victory.
    Then you're reponding to something you imagined. I never claimed or implied it was "some sort of victory" -- I was parphrasing the law as it was laid out in the judge's decision.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry...don't listen to any of the media whores (left wing or right wing). She clearly didn't have a clue what is contained in the first Amendment.
    actually she did and she was correct. but that's a discussion for a different thread. the misogynistic attack on conservative women goes on.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Yes, they can "build infrastructure" but they can't actually implement it -- so it has the same effect as an injunction, only they're not barred from making preparations in the event the decision gets overturned on appeal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Then you're reponding to something you imagined. I never claimed or implied it was "some sort of victory" -- I was parphrasing the law as it was laid out in the judge's decision.
    This is where we show your own words in actuality. Note what I was responding to. Note that "has the same effect as an injunction" is false, for the reasons I pointed out.
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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But that's what's so hilariously sad about this entire state of affairs. Conservatives could and SHOULD have done something about this 17 YEARS AGO after HillaryCare was voted down in '93. They knew health care costs were spiralling out of control. They knew people were being denied medical coverage. They knew families were one catastrophic illness or injury away from filing bankruptcy due to high medical cost. They knew tort reform was a big financial burden on doctors, surgeons and hospitals. And they knew Medicare and Medicaid (not to mention the cost to VA Hospitals) were skyrocketing, and yet they did nothing in that 17 year period except play political games, i.e., the individual mandate was a good thing when they included it in health care reform then but suddenly once health care reform passes it's a bad idea and it's unconstitutional? And it was their idea!!
    You are assuming 'conservatives' think this has ANY business in the government arena. Dont make the mistake of assuming 'republicans' are 'conservatives'. Republicans are democrats are republicans are democrats. They are two sides of the same worthless coin.

    That being said...Im all for STATES deciding (if it be the will of the citizens of their state) to create a health care system. let the states run it, manage it, govern it (and tax THEIR people) accordingly. But getting the fed involved? Anyone that thinks thats a good idea quite simply isnt invested in paying for the feds manic spending habits.

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    Re: Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    LOL maybe you didn't realize.. but none of this is "exactly a big deal" until the case is decided by the Supreme Court. Until then, we get to discuss lower court decisions.
    yup. i'm so glad that we are now ruled by a small oligarchy which deigns from time to time to tell us how we may order our lives.

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