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Obama to sign Child Nutrition Bill today

Nothing always works, especially what government does and everybody is aware of this.

This is just another progressive entitlement program. :coffeepap

yes, everyone is aware that nothing always works, regardless of it being government or private sector. but, that shouldn't prevent either from trying. :coffeepap


The coffee is good today.
 
yes, everyone is aware that nothing always works, regardless of it being government or private sector. but, that shouldn't prevent either from trying. :coffeepap


The coffee is good today.


It shouldn't be up to the government to even try.

j-mac
 
Elena Kagan on fruits and vegetables | Opinion L.A. | Los Angeles Times

Read this. It seems to agree that the clip stopped short of her answer.
I disagree. I watched the whole thing live when it happened. She refused to say that making people eat fruits and vegetables each day was unconstitutional. That was the point of me posting the clip, not saying they would, but in my opinion is because they would have no way of enforcing it.:popcorn2:

Because you're not paying attention to what she's saying. It's a stupid proposition.
 
It shouldn't be up to the government to even try.

j-mac

To even try what? We're the government j. Government is just a tool we use to help solve problems. :coffeepap
 
To even try what? We're the government j. Government is just a tool we use to help solve problems. :coffeepap

That's nice to think, and I sure would like our reps to remember that, and not use it only when they find it convenient to their arguments of why they need to restrict my liberty, but the fact is, that when they get to DC they become the elite....Just you try and go visit a member in the leadership for a chat, and see how far you get.


j-mac
 
That's nice to think, and I sure would like our reps to remember that, and not use it only when they find it convenient to their arguments of why they need to restrict my liberty, but the fact is, that when they get to DC they become the elite....Just you try and go visit a member in the leadership for a chat, and see how far you get.


j-mac

They'll remember if we hold them accountable. But it would also help if we were a little more coherent. I was tlaking with a conservative the other day, for example, who wants all the benefits of the new health care bill, but none of the options for paying for them. What can a leader do with that message?
 
They'll remember if we hold them accountable. But it would also help if we were a little more coherent. I was tlaking with a conservative the other day, for example, who wants all the benefits of the new health care bill, but none of the options for paying for them. What can a leader do with that message?


Holding reps accountable is what happened this last election cycle, and demo's in some degree still haven't accepted that. In some cases there is downright denial.

j-mac
 
Holding reps accountable is what happened this last election cycle, and demo's in some degree still haven't accepted that. In some cases there is downright denial.

j-mac

In some cases, yes, that is what happened. But then there is the entire incoherent thing. I have linked the exit polls before. 1/3 think our leaders went too far. 1/3 think they didn't go far enough. and predictively, 1/3 think the government did just the rigth amount. Now that is information our leader can really use.
 
In some cases, yes, that is what happened. But then there is the entire incoherent thing. I have linked the exit polls before. 1/3 think our leaders went too far. 1/3 think they didn't go far enough. and predictively, 1/3 think the government did just the rigth amount. Now that is information our leader can really use.

Polls depend quite a bit on how questions are asked as to what answer you get from people, so I wouldn't really put an over abundance of trust that what you are using as "coming from the people" isn't a distorted message.


j-mac
 
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Legislation to feed more lunches and dinners to hungry children at school is about to become law.
President Barack Obama will be accompanied by his wife, Michelle, as he signs the bill. The ceremony is scheduled to take place Monday at a District of Columbia elementary school.
The $4.5 billion bill would expand free school meals for the low-income students and give the government the power to make them healthier. The government will decide what kinds of foods may be sold in vending machines, lunch lines and fundraisers during school hours.
Supporters say the law is needed to stem rising health care costs because of growing childhood obesity and also to feed more hungry children in tough economic times. Some Republicans contend the measure is too expensive and an example of government overreach.


Read more: President to sign child nutrition bill - Lowell Sun Online

I guess the Republicans failed to stop it.
No more fundraising from bake sales. Is big government going to also pay for things that the bakesales usually pay for? Or should they switch to apple and spinach sales?

While I do not believe that the government should be telling me what to eat, when it comes to expanding "free school meals for the low-income students" I don't have a problem with that as I don't think that children, especially in the richest nation on earth, should go hungry.
 
Polls depend quite a bit on how questions are asked as to what answer you get from people, so I wouldn't really put an over abundance of trust that what you are using as "coming from the people" isn't a distorted message.


j-mac

Yes, they do. But the question was pretty straightforward. And there is not a problem with poll questions. Most want elements like covering pre-existing conditions and covering children. Yet, oppose anyway to make that happen. A real disconnect with the electorate. and the country is real divided on whether the democrats went too far or not far enough, so a leader in congress has to more than bit confused as to what the people actually want.
 
Yes, they do. But the question was pretty straightforward. And there is not a problem with poll questions. Most want elements like covering pre-existing conditions and covering children. Yet, oppose anyway to make that happen. A real disconnect with the electorate. and the country is real divided on whether the democrats went too far or not far enough, so a leader in congress has to more than bit confused as to what the people actually want.


My feeling is that, this happens when the proposal is far too broad, and encompassing for people to grasp all that is in it.

What would have been the problem with taking this health care overhaul in pieces? I think you would have had a much greater chance of getting more, than the dishonest way demo's went about it.

j-mac
 
Nothing always works, be it the government or the private sector. But often things do improve, or manage.

Entitlements don't work and people will revolt if taken away when we can no longer afford them.
 
feed the children all three meals, year round...check.

Next...

Free internet for all the "nappy headed children as a basic human right"
(FCC Commissioner Mignon Clyburn, daughter of Congressman James Clyburn)
Breitbart.tv » Free Internet a Civil Right for ‘Every Nappy-Headed Child’

WE do it for countless other children in numerous other countries - why not our own? (that's my liberal view)

At the same time I want parents to actually take care of their own kids and be responsible with their spending - putting NEEDS before WANTS.
 
WE do it for countless other children in numerous other countries - why not our own? (that's my liberal view)

At the same time I want parents to actually take care of their own kids and be responsible with their spending - putting NEEDS before WANTS.

I struggle with this as a liberal. I want parents to take care of their kids too. Part of me wants to go all Darwinian on their ass and let them and their kids die of heart attacks at 40. But then another side of me wonders at what point we as a society draws the line. If 75% of our kids are obese, do we let the government step in via school lunches, etc?
 
feed the children all three meals, year round...check.

Next...

Free internet for all the "nappy headed children as a basic human right"
(FCC Commissioner Mignon Clyburn, daughter of Congressman James Clyburn)
Breitbart.tv » Free Internet a Civil Right for ‘Every Nappy-Headed Child’

it's not like students who are without internet access are unable to compete against those who do
or is it
or do we just not want our students to attain their real potential ... especially the nappy headed ones
 
WE do it for countless other children in numerous other countries - why not our own? (that's my liberal view)

At the same time I want parents to actually take care of their own kids and be responsible with their spending - putting NEEDS before WANTS.

Its just another federal government funded entitlement program. The program creates more beauracracy (as I recall when it was originally discussed it created 17 new offices), it has undefined grants with undefined criteria...Its another program that people just supported without even knowing what was being voted on, how it was being paid for, etc.

Its all been said before. This legislation adds all foster children to the free meals roles...yet, foster parents are already provided the money to feed and clothe and nurture the kids.

Meh...so be it...more crippled and dependent pets just means less competition in the future for my grandkids. So...win win...
 
it's not like students who are without internet access are unable to compete against those who do
or is it
or do we just not want our students to attain their real potential ... especially the nappy headed ones

Ignoring the obvious point that there isnt an area or program that government officials wont deem a 'human right'...or that is the role and responsibility of the federal government to provide...
 
My feeling is that, this happens when the proposal is far too broad, and encompassing for people to grasp all that is in it.

What would have been the problem with taking this health care overhaul in pieces? I think you would have had a much greater chance of getting more, than the dishonest way demo's went about it.

j-mac

I think it is more that political entertainers and dishonest politiicans clouded the issue with misinformation. If we had had honest debate, minus the death panel and socialism nonsense, we might have had a very different outcome. But I think politiicans, not limited to republicans, fear honest debate.
 
Ignoring the obvious point that there isnt an area or program that government officials wont deem a 'human right'...or that is the role and responsibility of the federal government to provide...

or it could be viewed as promoting the general welfare of our citizens
 
or it could be viewed as promoting the general welfare of our citizens

Government for the past century was working on getting people out of being homeless, jobless, and without food. They have yet to succeed in getting every man, woman and child much of that. The internet should not be considered a need.
 
I struggle with this as a liberal. I want parents to take care of their kids too. Part of me wants to go all Darwinian on their ass and let them and their kids die of heart attacks at 40. But then another side of me wonders at what point we as a society draws the line. If 75% of our kids are obese, do we let the government step in via school lunches, etc?
Where have you been, Kelzie? We missed you...:2wave:
IF the idea is to ensure good nutrition with low calories, it sounds like a good idea. But how do we know if the kids are eating junk at home after getting 3 "nutritious" meals at school? Certainly we have a lot of fatties who are getting too many calories, some while eating healthy type foods.
I can't speak for other families, but when I was a kid, we ate what mom put on our plates. She didn't cook extra, leftovers were rare, and we didn't have unlimited access to her kitchen. A snack would be PB&J on toast. There was no pop, chips, cookies, etc. Easter, Halloween, and Christmas were the only times we got candy. We never ate out, fast food or slow food. I only knew a few fatties at our school. We did have a few vending machines at school.

But that was then....We are lucky to have so much extra food available to us today, but it doesn't have to become gluttony.
 
Government for the past century was working on getting people out of being homeless, jobless, and without food. They have yet to succeed in getting every man, woman and child much of that. The internet should not be considered a need.

Yet, we all know families who "can't afford health insurance" who have new cars, cable TV, internet, games, multiple cell phones, etc...
Maybe if we feed their kids, they will buy insurance?
 
Where have you been, Kelzie? We missed you...:2wave:

It's good to pop in every now and then. I'm sure soon enough I'll get frustrated that debating never changes someone's opinion and leave again.:mrgreen:

IF the idea is to ensure good nutrition with low calories, it sounds like a good idea. But how do we know if the kids are eating junk at home after getting 3 "nutritious" meals at school? Certainly we have a lot of fatties who are getting too many calories, some while eating healthy type foods.
I can't speak for other families, but when I was a kid, we ate what mom put on our plates. She didn't cook extra, leftovers were rare, and we didn't have unlimited access to her kitchen. A snack would be PB&J on toast. There was no pop, chips, cookies, etc. Easter, Halloween, and Christmas were the only times we got candy. We never ate out, fast food or slow food. I only knew a few fatties at our school. We did have a few vending machines at school.

But that was then....We are lucky to have so much extra food available to us today, but it doesn't have to become gluttony.

I've been doing a little bit of research on the food programs in the public schools and they could do with a lot of changes. For instance, a school can get pizza and a side of macaroni and cheese reimbursed from the government, but not a tuna sandwich on wheat bread with a side salad. There are a number of schools (Boulder, CO comes to mind) that are going it alone because the current school lunch program doesn't require enough nutritionally dense food. I had pizza every single day for lunch in high school, and why wouldn't I? The other choice was Taco Bell.

I know there's not much we can do at home, besides education. But I think it's important that our schools at least don't contribute to the malnourishment of our children.
 
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