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    Re: Obama to sign Child Nutrition Bill today

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I don't know about money for the schools, but certainly this program will benefit farmers who are getting an enhanced market for their products. So, it looks like corporate welfare for farmers to me, so far.

    Once a year or so we go have lunch with our grandkids at their schools, bringing our own food.
    It is easy to see how much of these nutritious foods provided by the schools are being wasted. They choose what they want, but still throw a substantial amount of it in the trash cans.
    Young children will eat what they want, if it is available.
    The school lunch programs have essentially been a subsidy since it started. Now instead of the meat and dairy industries, we're adding more produce in too. At least it's healthier.

    You do raise a good point. A substantial amount gets thrown away. I don't think the better alternative would be for the government to provide kids what they want though.
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    Re: Obama to sign Child Nutrition Bill today

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    It'd be difficult for schools to remove the vending machines without unreasonable cuts in their budgets. Vending contracts just for single school districts run into the millions. I don't mind paying more taxes to fund our schools so they don't have to rely on corporations, but I'm often in the minority on that stance.
    At one time we lived next to Sun City, AZ...a retirement community that was exempt from the schools part of property taxes.
    They were of the opinion that if you don't have kids in your part of the community, you shouldn't have to pay school taxes.
    Others outside of Sun City would say to them, we aren't retired, so why should we pay into social security?
    Apparently, there are lots of people who don't understand that things have to be paid for, and if those things benefit all of us, then all of us should pay into the program.
    As for school budgets, I am a little bit older than many posters here, and I can vouch for the fact that in years past, a lot of today's school programs didn't exist. Yet, we managed to turn out a decent percentage of graduates with enough knowledge to be trained for jobs. Maybe if we dumped some of the "fun" programs and made all extra curricular events self supporting, we might have money enough for the essentials...
    We did have vending machines, tho., even back in the 60's..
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    Re: Obama to sign Child Nutrition Bill today

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    The school lunch programs have essentially been a subsidy since it started. Now instead of the meat and dairy industries, we're adding more produce in too. At least it's healthier.

    You do raise a good point. A substantial amount gets thrown away. I don't think the better alternative would be for the government to provide kids what they want though.
    Well no becase it's precisely the problem that what they'd want is:


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    Re: Obama to sign Child Nutrition Bill today

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Would it be ok in your mind if the vending machines had healthier choices in them? Say instead of a can of soda, they had Juice, and water?

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    it would be marginally better, as it would at least have some benefit, but no, it wouldn't solve or address the basic problem, a company explorting children for profit.

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    Re: Obama to sign Child Nutrition Bill today

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    At one time we lived next to Sun City, AZ...a retirement community that was exempt from the schools part of property taxes.
    They were of the opinion that if you don't have kids in your part of the community, you shouldn't have to pay school taxes.
    Others outside of Sun City would say to them, we aren't retired, so why should we pay into social security?
    Apparently, there are lots of people who don't understand that things have to be paid for, and if those things benefit all of us, then all of us should pay into the program.
    As for school budgets, I am a little bit older than many posters here, and I can vouch for the fact that in years past, a lot of today's school programs didn't exist. Yet, we managed to turn out a decent percentage of graduates with enough knowledge to be trained for jobs. Maybe if we dumped some of the "fun" programs and made all extra curricular events self supporting, we might have money enough for the essentials...
    We did have vending machines, tho., even back in the 60's..
    I've noticed the opposite trend in recent years. My high school used to teach three foreign languages, now it's just one. They got rid of shop and wood hobby and home economics.

    I very much agree though about paying into a society even if you aren't directly receiving the benefit. Even if I didn't have kids, I'd pay into the school system. A bunch of uneducated hooligans running around isn't to my benefit!
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    Re: Obama to sign Child Nutrition Bill today

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I've noticed the opposite trend in recent years. My high school used to teach three foreign languages, now it's just one. They got rid of shop and wood hobby and home economics.

    I very much agree though about paying into a society even if you aren't directly receiving the benefit. Even if I didn't have kids, I'd pay into the school system. A bunch of uneducated hooligans running around isn't to my benefit!

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    Re: Obama to sign Child Nutrition Bill today

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    [/B]Uneducated hooligans are bad, but educated hooligans are worse. Corruption on Wall Street and in our Government is an ongoing criminal enterprise....
    Yeah well, I doubt they'd qualify for free lunches anyway.
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    Re: Obama to sign Child Nutrition Bill today

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well no becase it's precisely the problem that what they'd want is:


    Yummy looking....
    Except for the soda, what about that meal is unhealthy? There are veggies, dairy, protein, carbohydrates in the bun, potatoes fried in vegetable oil, etc. None of the portrayed foods are unhealthy by themselves.
    The only thing bad is the calorie content, a portion control issue, so throw out one meat patty, half the fries,exclude mayonaisse, and it is a fairly balanced meal.
    Portion control, aka quantity, is a bigger issue than the quality of the foods.
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    Re: Obama to sign Child Nutrition Bill today

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I have two and one more on the way. And thank you.
    No, thank you. I think we can ramp this down and still have a reasonable conversation. Thanks for giving it a chance.

    Suspicious genetic disorders aside I hope we can both agree that there are clear cases where the government does know better. Would you raise issue if CPS removed a teenage girl whose parent's had starved her down to 70 lbs? Or lets just say this three year-old wasn't the physics defying case she appears to be and her parents had over fed her to the point where she's 120 lbs. How could you not agree that the parents are making a wrong choice to the level of endangering their child?
    Well, there are a lot of 'what if's' in that paragraph, but we do already have a dept of children services that follows up on claims like this, in this case the original charges that were the catalyst of the story were found to be without merit.

    Would you agree that there is a point were it is a step too far when speaking about the rights of the individual vs the power of the government?

    To be clear, I'm not advocating the government steps in if your child has ten pounds of pudge on him. In this case the medical community got involved and said the child was in danger. However, if the government is going to be spending money providing school lunches, I see no problem with the government deciding their money should be spend promoting healthy food. Your kids don't have to eat it.
    You're right....They don't have to eat it, unless ofcourse you are too poor to make a lunch for them, then I guess their choice is to starve.


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    Re: Obama to sign Child Nutrition Bill today

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Yummy looking....
    Except for the soda, what about that meal is unhealthy? There are veggies, dairy, protein, carbohydrates in the bun, potatoes fried in vegetable oil, etc. None of the portrayed foods are unhealthy by themselves.
    The only thing bad is the calorie content, a portion control issue, so throw out one meat patty, half the fries,exclude mayonaisse, and it is a fairly balanced meal.
    Portion control, aka quantity, is a bigger issue than the quality of the foods.
    Balanced except for the fact that it contains only protein and carbs. That sliver of salad hardly counts as a serving of veggies. Half the sandwich, no fried and a side salad and then you're talking.
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