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    Re: Sudan group in legal challenge to independence vote [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Why do you feel this way?
    The repercussions and unintended consequences
    What will probably happen is areas of Africa who believe they should be independent will now fight for it ... This time against their own Governments.

    South Sudan's independence will create a precedent and probably a domino effect at worst.
    The DRC could split up to as much as four provinces and the worse example is Nigeria.

    Now Sudan will be split into 'Christian/Muslim' Sudan.
    What is the future for Nigeria? It will ofc eventually go down the 'Christian/Muslim' Nigeria because as we all know the religious groups have alot of fighting
    And war will happen in Nigeria if that attempts to occur over the placement of oil and natural resources which is such a lucrative business. Just two examples of many in Africa
    Zanzibar Isles will want to leave Tanzania and Tanzania would resist.

    The colonial borders shouldn't be changed for a LONG time (Maybe 200 years, give or take a few years depending on Africa's progress).
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    Re: Sudan group in legal challenge to independence vote [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If you want another war, you are correct.
    War will happen anyway over border disputes and natural resources. This referendum will solve nothing.

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    Re: Sudan group in legal challenge to independence vote [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The repercussions and unintended consequences
    What will probably happen is areas of Africa who believe they should be independent will now fight for it ... This time against their own Governments.
    Why would this establish a precedent for all of Africa? Just because they have dark skin doesn't mean that they all think alike, any moreso than Belgian separatism will result in the fracture of the United States. And you completely miss the fact that parts of Africa that want independence are ALREADY fighting for it and/or trying to get it through political means.

    Furthermore, it's hardly unprecedented for an African country to fracture. Eritrea broke away from Ethiopia, Namibia broke away from South Africa, Zimbabwe and Zambia separated, and Somalia is at least three separate de facto countries.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila
    South Sudan's independence will create a precedent and probably a domino effect at worst.
    The DRC could split up to as much as four provinces and the worse example is Nigeria.

    Now Sudan will be split into 'Christian/Muslim' Sudan.
    What is the future for Nigeria? It will ofc eventually go down the 'Christian/Muslim' Nigeria because as we all know the religious groups have alot of fighting
    And war will happen in Nigeria if that attempts to occur over the placement of oil and natural resources which is such a lucrative business. Just two examples of many in Africa
    Zanzibar Isles will want to leave Tanzania and Tanzania would resist.

    The colonial borders shouldn't be changed for a LONG time (Maybe 200 years, give or take a few years depending on Africa's progress).
    Why would any of those countries care what happens in the Sudan? Nigeria, for example, is 2,000 miles away from the Sudan. The idea that internal Sudanese separatist politics would have any impact on Nigerian separatism is laughable.
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    Re: Sudan group in legal challenge to independence vote [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why would this establish a precedent for all of Africa? Just because they have dark skin doesn't mean that they all think alike, any moreso than Belgian separatism will result in the fracture of the United States. And you completely miss the fact that parts of Africa that want independence are ALREADY fighting for it and/or trying to get it through political means.

    Furthermore, it's hardly unprecedented for an African country to fracture. Eritrea broke away from Ethiopia, Namibia broke away from South Africa, Zimbabwe and Zambia separated, and Somalia is at least three separate de facto countries.

    Why would any of those countries care what happens in the Sudan? Nigeria, for example, is 2,000 miles away from the Sudan. The idea that internal Sudanese separatist politics would have any impact on Nigerian separatism is laughable.
    Eitrea was once a colony of Italy. That was why it was allowed to succeed.
    If Eritrea was always part of Ethiopia, no way would it ever have been allowed Independence.
    Somalia will not split into three countries. Will not be allowed.

    Namibia was under the control of Germany as a European power.
    Both Zambia and Zimbabwe were also colonies and were under powers and hence drawn into the map originally.
    No *NEW* African country has been created in a long time. By long, I mean since the colonial period.

    And ofc it matters. It sets a precedent for the AU.
    Those areas which are fighting for separation stood no chance because of the AU Charter forbidding deviation from the colonial borders but because of this bloody referedum if it passes, will make it even more likely.


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    Re: Sudan group in legal challenge to independence vote [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Eitrea was once a colony of Italy. That was why it was allowed to succeed.
    If Eritrea was always part of Ethiopia, no way would it ever have been allowed Independence.
    Somalia will not split into three countries. Will not be allowed.

    Namibia was under the control of Germany as a European power.
    Both Zambia and Zimbabwe were also colonies and were under powers and hence drawn into the map originally.
    No *NEW* African country has been created in a long time. By long, I mean since the colonial period.

    And ofc it matters. It sets a precedent for the AU.
    Those areas which are fighting for separation stood no chance because of the AU Charter forbidding deviation from the colonial borders but because of this bloody referedum if it passes, will make it even more likely.
    The African Union is not the European Union. Regardless of what the AU Charter says, none of its member states pay any attention to it anyway. The idea that Nigerian separatists are going to have some affinity for the Juba government just because they're located on the same continent and under the same (incredibly weak) supranational organization is absurd. They may as well point to the independence of Timor-Leste or Kosovo.
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    Re: Sudan group in legal challenge to independence vote [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The African Union is not the European Union. Regardless of what the AU Charter says, none of its member states pay any attention to it anyway. The idea that Nigerian separatists are going to have some affinity for the Juba government just because they're located on the same continent and under the same (incredibly weak) supranational organization is absurd. They may as well point to the independence of Timor-Leste or Kosovo.
    Who said anything about affinity? It does spell trouble.

    Sudan gives many Africans who want to split from their country a precedent.
    A country which was never a country to begin with splitting up and going its own way for no good reason anyway. Excellent.
    I foresee no problems.

    As I said, no NEW African country has been created and for a good reason.
    All successions that has occurred since the colonial period were countries who was once colonies leaving and going back to their borders.
    Frankly Africa should gets it act together and forbid Sudan from splitting imo


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    Re: Sudan group in legal challenge to independence vote [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Sudan group in legal challenge to independence vote | Top News | Reuters

    Good.
    The referendum should be prevented. The colonial borders of Africa cannot be changed nor should the Pandora's box be opened
    Yeah, God forbid that the Darfur region gain it's independence and, possibly end the genocide. The Arabs don't want to allow the inferior Black Africans to have their independence, because of the racist attitudes that exist in the North.

    But, I'm sure you were hoping that no one actually knew the difference between, "Southern Sudan", and, "Darfur".
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    Re: Sudan group in legal challenge to independence vote [edited]

    I get what Laila is saying, if you give one group it's own country, that gives a precedent for every tribal or ethnic identity to want it's own country, and that'd probably lead to a war or two, though the problem in the first place was how the powers divided up Africa anyway. It's a confusing situation.
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    Re: Sudan group in legal challenge to independence vote [edited]

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    Re: Sudan group in legal challenge to independence vote [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Who said anything about affinity? It does spell trouble.

    Sudan gives many Africans who want to split from their country a precedent.
    A country which was never a country to begin with splitting up and going its own way for no good reason anyway. Excellent.
    I foresee no problems.
    Why does Sudanese separatism give Nigerian rebels a precedent, moreso than Kosovar separatism does? Obviously you must think that living on the same continent as another culture 2,000 miles away must give them some sort of affinity. Otherwise you wouldn't refer to the precedence that it will have on "Africa" and "Africans" as though the entire continent was a monolithic culture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila
    As I said, no NEW African country has been created and for a good reason.
    All successions that has occurred since the colonial period were countries who was once colonies leaving and going back to their borders.
    What makes you think that this is any more legitimate than Africans drawing their own new borders? White people can do it better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila
    Frankly Africa should gets it act together and forbid Sudan from splitting imo
    Congratulations, you just solved all of Africa's geopolitical problems. The continent (as a whole since, of course, it is a single entity with common ambitions) just needs to "get its act together." I wonder why no one ever thought of that before.
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