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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    More excuses? More of the sam ole PC crap about how, "every religion has it's nutjobs"?
    No excuses, just reality, much as I wish it were not so. Do you think anyone likes the fact that there are terrorists around? You act as if you're the only one who cares. You couldn't be more wrong. I wish they would all disappear, the religious and the secular alike. I want the Islamists gone as much as I want ETA gone once and for all. Unfortunately, I've long lost the hope that it will ever happen. We'll get rid of one group and another one will pop up. You know why? Because what they do ****ing works. It has been working for centuries and it will keep on working for a long time to come. Making people scared will never go out of style.

    The reason we can't get rid of them is the same reason why we can't get rid of inner-city type gangs, the various Mafias and mobs and violent organized crime in general. They all use terror very effectively and there is nothing we've been able to do about it so far, other than to take out one or two localized cells here and there.

    But, hey you keep right on dreaming. I hear all the crap is a lot easier to bear that way.
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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    The one dimensional views abound. The dogmatic righties attribute Islamist terrorism entirely as a reaction to who we are, conflate Islamism with the religion of Islam in order to implicate all Muslims and don't really analyze much of anything since they are simply in the business of repeating what others say. The dogmatic leftists attribute terrorism only to what we do, rationalize the basic act in a similar fashion to how Islamists rationalize it, conflate Islamism with the religion of Islam by defending the former under the misguided notion they ar defending the latter and don't really analyze much of anything since they are simply in the business of repeating what others say.

    Americans are more prone to the right wing dogmatism, while Western Europeans are more prone to the left wing dogmatism. Each regards any actual moderate view as being an indication of thier opposite as the true moderates (at least the intelligent ones) realize we are hated for both who we are and what we do, the hatred for who we are clouding the judgement in regards to the way we are perceived in regards to what we do.

    The issue here is one of totalitarianism and how we respond to it. Those who act as apologists for it (and I have seen dozens upon dozens in these forums over the years) are just as clueless as those who would kill them all and let God sort it out.
    I suppose you're right. I just wish I saw more of those retarded leftwing apologists to balance out the moronic rightwing ones. At least then it wouldn't all seem so one sided all the time. Maybe I've just been lucky to not have seen very many of those leftwing posts here. Except for those who are not and get accused of it regardless.
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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    More excuses? More of the sam ole PC crap about how, "every religion has it's nutjobs"?
    Why haven't you personally killed the people who bomb abortion clinics?
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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Of course it is America's problem. It is a world problem.

    Islamists are already changing the nature of the dynamic between Western Europe and America, driving a wedge between us by manipulating Western European perceptions. Their goal is a totalitarian state governed by Islam, and they see Europe as a potential springboard towards such. They are well organized, find strength through common purpose, and are adept at exploiting situations to their advantage. The actual terrorist acts are just the tip of a bigger iceburg, as the terrorism is only a means to an end. It is that end we should be focussing on, as none of us stand alone here. Sure, the strength of the anti-Americanism indulged in by so many might make you want to turn your back on them, but some in Europe are starting to wake up. The Dutch and Danes are not as disposed towards mindless apologia as they used to be, and maybe the Swedes will start to figure things out, too. Sure, people don't understand the threat of totalitarianism until it is right on top of them, and all the social conditioning and denial can be tough to overcome, but I think we should ALL be fighting Islamism. It is the biggest threat the world has faced in quite some time.
    I'm not sure the dynamic is changing. I think what's going on is that we have a lot more contact with Muslims here in Europe than the average American ever does, outside of the Dearborn area. We can put what we read in the news in perspective, because we have first hand experience that the ones who make the headlines are not the norm. We're not as scared of them, because we live right alongside them and have been doing so for decades. They're our friends, neighbors, even family. That said, we're not stupid either. All over Europe people are sounding little alarm bells and are fighting extremism back in small but symbolically significant ways. There's a lot more to reality than what your media chooses to report about what's going on over here.
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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I'm not sure the dynamic is changing. I think what's going on is that we have a lot more contact with Muslims here in Europe than the average American ever does, outside of the Dearborn area. We can put what we read in the news in perspective, because we have first hand experience that the ones who make the headlines are not the norm. We're not as scared of them, because we live right alongside them and have been doing so for decades. They're our friends, neighbors, even family. That said, we're not stupid either. All over Europe people are sounding little alarm bells and are fighting extremism back in small but symbolically significant ways. There's a lot more to reality than what your media chooses to report about what's going on over here.
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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You are the one making excuses to target a minorty. People like you need an enemy to justify your existence it seems..
    What "minority"? He's talking about the entire world, not just one country where Muslims would be a minority.

    You, yourself, go a long way to doing exactly what he says by calling them a "minority" and thus by implication excusing them, or at the very least making reference to some kind of oppression of them.
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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You are the one making excuses to target a minorty. People like you need an enemy to justify your existence it seems..
    Islam is the largest, fastest growing religion in the world. That means, they're not a, "minority". By the actual definition of minority. I'm fully aware that minority also has it's PC definition, which is, "anyone who isn't white, American, nor Christian".
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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    No excuses, just reality, much as I wish it were not so. Do you think anyone likes the fact that there are terrorists around? You act as if you're the only one who cares. You couldn't be more wrong. I wish they would all disappear, the religious and the secular alike. I want the Islamists gone as much as I want ETA gone once and for all. Unfortunately, I've long lost the hope that it will ever happen. We'll get rid of one group and another one will pop up. You know why? Because what they do ****ing works. It has been working for centuries and it will keep on working for a long time to come. Making people scared will never go out of style.

    The reason we can't get rid of them is the same reason why we can't get rid of inner-city type gangs, the various Mafias and mobs and violent organized crime in general. They all use terror very effectively and there is nothing we've been able to do about it so far, other than to take out one or two localized cells here and there.

    But, hey you keep right on dreaming. I hear all the crap is a lot easier to bear that way.
    Make them vanish? No, that'll never happen. However, your, "what the hell can I do about it?", attitude only insures that they will be able to operate, almost unimpeded, within their own community.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What "minority"? He's talking about the entire world, not just one country where Muslims would be a minority.

    You, yourself, go a long way to doing exactly what he says by calling them a "minority" and thus by implication excusing them, or at the very least making reference to some kind of oppression of them.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Islam is the largest, fastest growing religion in the world. That means, they're not a, "minority". By the actual definition of minority. I'm fully aware that minority also has it's PC definition, which is, "anyone who isn't white, American, nor Christian".
    Pete is talking about the nutjobs. Or are they the majority now?
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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why haven't you personally killed the people who bomb abortion clinics?
    That's exactly my point.

    However, to answer your question, I've never run across any abortion clinic bombers, otherwise my answer my be quite different.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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