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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I don't disagree with any of that. Zero tolerance is fine by me. No one should ever give in to the demands of terrorists. I've made that pretty clear. Not giving them what they want is the best way to solve the problem. But I don't believe that fighting them in Afghanistan will help at all.
    You do realize bin Laden saw Reagan's withdrawal after the Marines barracks were bombed in Lebanon as a sign of weakness to be exploited? We need to crush them to a pulver. We have to be so relentless these people with lack oxygen. We need to overwhelm them... in Afghanistan. It's the shortest way to victory. The alternative is to turn over the **** hole to the terrorists and have another example of America walking away. That is fatally dangerous.

    It just gives them more warped excuses to keep the attacks on the West coming. Many of the terrorists that have been active the past few years have never even been to Afghanistan. I've always supported this war, unlike the Iraq one, but I honestly don't even know what we're doing there anymore.
    Warped excuses? We need to bash the warped out of them. Then they'll have fewer excuses.

    We should be killing them and hunting them down without pause. The battle should be so relentless, they will become exhausted of the battle. It may take years, but there is not alternative. There is one solution. Military might... and when they say they have had enough, then perhaps we'll speak about putting down our arms.

    The Mafia in both Sicily and Calabria is still a huge problem. The Russian Mafia is everywhere. Gangs are still wreaking havoc in many parts of the US. These are all much easier to identify and fight agressively than international Muslim terrorists, who are often hiding in plain sight.
    Really? Easier to identify? Think again... and if they are easier to identify, why aren't Muslims turning them over en masse?

    Still, we can't get rid of them and most often it's because the communities they operate in don't cooperate with the authorities for fear of brutal retaliation.
    Then we give them what for... until they get the message they better start opening their mouths.

    You think the Russians mobsters are barbarians? What Muslims do to each other is even worse.
    I really don't give a **** what they do to each other... what they are doing to the west is repulsive. The mafia isn't bombing and trying to disrupt commerce. They rely on it... like parasites. Big difference... and yet... we still try to stop them.

    There are no clear leaders. That's one of the problems. Islam doesn't have a central authority to speak for all. I think Islam in may ways is a very private and personal religion. The Imams stand as guides in some manner, but it seems to me that the interpretation of the Koran and the spiritual journey is largely left to the individual. It comes as no surprise that many fall prey to charismatic Imams and are led down a destructive path.
    There are known radical idiots... that lead the idiots.

    Private and personal? No... it's a religion of barbarism and fanaticism. That's how you get 16,000 plus terror attacks in 9-years.

    And how do the idiots journeys lead down the destructive path? Someone leads them there. We should be picking off the idiots. Everywhere.
    You don't know that and neither do I. Only she knows if she would go protest or not. I'm certainly not going to presume to know her mind.
    I'll go there and make that call. There are masses of gutless or silenced Muslims that would protest against everything except the idiots propagating destructive behavior. They are fearful... and/or complicit.

    The religion of peace... my ass.

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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You do realize bin Laden saw Reagan's withdrawal after the Marines barracks were bombed in Lebanon as a sign of weakness to be exploited?
    I do realize that. It's what I've been saying all along. They got what they wanted and figured they might as well keep at it.

    We need to crush them to a pulver. We have to be so relentless these people with lack oxygen. We need to overwhelm them... in Afghanistan. It's the shortest way to victory. The alternative is to turn over the **** hole to the terrorists and have another example of America walking away. That is fatally dangerous.
    They aren't in Afghanistan anymore, most experts agree they've moved over the border into Pakistan. Many are believed to be in Yemen and Somalia. One analyst even claims that the internet itself is the new AlQaeda sanctuary. The people you're fighting right now aren't terrorists, they're the Taliban who gave AlQaeda a place to hide. The ones you need to crush will keep moving and won't be stopped because for each one you kill there are ten others being groomed as we speak to take their place. I'm not saying walk away, because that will be perceived as another sign of weakness. Just realize that winning this war, if that is even possible, will solve nothing. The Taliban are not AlQaeda.

    Warped excuses? We need to bash the warped out of them. Then they'll have fewer excuses.

    We should be killing them and hunting them down without pause. The battle should be so relentless, they will become exhausted of the battle. It may take years, but there is not alternative. There is one solution. Military might... and when they say they have had enough, then perhaps we'll speak about putting down our arms.
    I don't see how military might is going to stop an organization that has spread so far and wide and has split into several factions that may or may not be in contact with each other. By the time you realize that you're fighting the sanctuary givers, the actual terrorists have moved elsewhere. The military operations need to go hand in hand with other methods that have been successful at fighting organized crime.


    Really? Easier to identify? Think again... and if they are easier to identify, why aren't Muslims turning them over en masse?
    I was talking about the mobsters and gang members. They're easier to identify because they actively terrorize the local population. Everyone knows who they are. They don't really hide. Whereas the potential Muslim terrorist is often hiding in plain sight waiting for chance to strike.

    Then we give them what for... until they get the message they better start opening their mouths.
    Yeah, that will totally endear you to them

    I really don't give a **** what they do to each other... what they are doing to the west is repulsive. The mafia isn't bombing and trying to disrupt commerce. They rely on it... like parasites. Big difference... and yet... we still try to stop them.
    I care. Just like I care when ETA kills Basque families in Spain or France in retaliation. Just like I cared when the IRA killed Northern Irish Catholic families in retaliation. I found those acts as repulsive, if not more, than the actual terrorist attacks they committed.

    There are known radical idiots... that lead the idiots.

    Private and personal? No... it's a religion of barbarism and fanaticism. That's how you get 16,000 plus terror attacks in 9-years.

    And how do the idiots journeys lead down the destructive path? Someone leads them there. We should be picking off the idiots. Everywhere.
    Easy. Ask your Saudi pals to stop sending those idiots out into the world. That's where most of them come from. It's no secret to anyone. I forget which European country is planning to no longer give visas to Saudi Imams precisely because of this problem.
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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's called, "retreat". We need to go hunt them down in Yemen.
    You can't go anywhere until you're sure the Taliban will no longer give them sanctuary, or you'll just keep going back and forth all the time. Can you afford yet another war?
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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

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    and, of course, the U.K.
    Heh. Yeah. They're everywhere, actually.
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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    You can't go anywhere until you're sure the Taliban will no longer give them sanctuary, or you'll just keep going back and forth all the time. Can you afford yet another war?
    All the more reason why we should take the gloves off and destroy the Taliban.
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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

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    Or maybe I do know what I'm talking about, having actually lived and worked in an African country.
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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Were you the Great White Hunter?
    No, dear. I worked for an African company based in Nairobi, Kenya. What is it with you and the ridiculous stereotypes, anyway?
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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    No, dear. I worked for an African company based in Nairobi, Kenya. What is it with you and the ridiculous stereotypes, anyway?
    I apologize for my snarkiness.

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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Deny them sanctuary. The Muslims community is the exact place that the extremists hide within, Without that sactuary, the extremist are ****ed.

    Excommunicate anyone that remotely defends the extremism. Muslims all over the world go into apology mode, everytime there is a terrorist attack. Muslims stick together. I think that loyalty to one another is going to be their downfall.

    Stop with the excuses and own up to what's going on within their own religion. Stop defending the motives. Laila has defended the motives of terrorists numerous times.

    Take political correctness out of the picture. Everytime there's an attack launched by a Muslim, people swarm to defend Islam. Face the fact, that there are millions of Muslims that support what the terrorists are doing. Notice how Laila didn't have much of a problem with the motives for the attacks, when it was America, "The Great Satan"? Now that it's innocent little politicallay correct Sweden, it's suddenly cating doubt on her faith.

    These are just the first steps in defeating the terrorists.
    The Islamic community will never willingly extradite one of their own while American and NATO troops are occupying their countries.

    Now, of course, it's not quite as simple as 'end the war, you end terrorism', but it's certainly a major step in the right direction.

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    Re: Blasts rock Swedish capital

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    All the more reason why we should take the gloves off and destroy the Taliban.
    America's real enemies are not in Afghanistan. They are in America. They are called leftists. Focus on them.

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