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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Bernie Sanders is building quite a reputation in Washington these days.

    Excerpted from “Clinton Refuses to Leave White House; Installs Self in Oval Office,” The Borowitz Report, DECEMBER 11, 2010
    It seemed like a good idea at the time.

    But twenty-four hours after former President Bill Clinton appeared at the White House to endorse President Obama’s tax plan, Mr. Obama is “still looking for the right way to ask him to leave,” an aide confirmed today.



    The aide said that Mr. Obama decided to play “a waiting game” with Mr. Clinton, explaining, “Even the Salahis left eventually.”

    But after spending the night “crashing in the Lincoln Bedroom,” the former President was back in the Oval Office, chatting away on the phone.

    “He could be there for awhile,” the aide said. “He’s talking to Bernie Sanders.”
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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The Democrats had two votes in the Senate; one for renewing the tax cuts for those with incomes less than 250K and another for incomes less than a million. Both failed to garner sufficient support — indeed five members of the Democratic caucus crossed over and voted with the Republicans against the plans. Also failed earlier in the week was a bill extending unemployment insurance for another year; millions would be impacted without passage.

    The President and the Republicans have worked out a compromise, one that is quite beneficial to Democratic and Republican priorities. The real losers in this compromise I would say are the deficit hawks. But when the economy is so atrocious, they should lose.
    I don't see how keeping tax rates low while providing for more unemployment benefits that will increase the government debt by $900 billion a good thing.

    There's a big difference between a good compromise for our nation and a bad compromise for the benefit of politicians' constituencies. This compromise is the latter.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    They should take the entire speech by Senator Sanders, digest it to thirty or forty minutes of high spots and find a way to get copies to schools all over America. it should be shown in Social Studies classes and taught to all of our children. Senator Sanders is a truly great and patriotic American who stands tall and proudly against the right wing efforts to destroy this nation by destroying the American middle class.
    Oh come on! The Republicans aren't out to destroy the middle class. That's just nonsense and discredits legitimate critiques of their policy positions.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Bernie Sanders is building quite a reputation in Washington these days.
    Excerpted from “Clinton Refuses to Leave White House; Installs Self in Oval Office,” The Borowitz Report, DECEMBER 11, 2010
    It seemed like a good idea at the time.

    But twenty-four hours after former President Bill Clinton appeared at the White House to endorse President Obama’s tax plan, Mr. Obama is “still looking for the right way to ask him to leave,” an aide confirmed today.



    The aide said that Mr. Obama decided to play “a waiting game” with Mr. Clinton, explaining, “Even the Salahis left eventually.”

    But after spending the night “crashing in the Lincoln Bedroom,” the former President was back in the Oval Office, chatting away on the phone.

    “He could be there for awhile,” the aide said. “He’s talking to Bernie Sanders.”
    Bill also has fond memories of the Oval Office. Probably the best oral sex he ever had.



    Sorry couldn't resist.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    On a serious note Sanders makes a lot of sense. I enjoyed listening to his filibuster on C-Span2 while I was working late in the shop that day. He exposes well the hogwash about the filthy rich providing jobs, and if they get a tax break they are more likely to provide jobs. Trouble is if you know anything about business as those of us that do run businesses, is if the middle class isn't buying products there is no reason to expand production or inventory. It has nothing to do with tax breaks for the relatively small amount of billionaires that provide less jobs than the middle to upper class small businesses. No demand, no expansion, and no hiring. Business 101, but the repubs want their tax breaks for their wealthy contributors. That's really what it's all about. On top of that we loose an incredible amount of revenue providing tax breaks to those that don't need it. Utterly assinine!


    Just for perspective I know of a factory that employed about 100 people. Guess what the annual salary of the owner was? It was actually less than $250,000. So the crock of **** the republicans are spinning regarding trickle down economics and those making over $250,000 annually is just that -- a crock of ****. And as far as corporations they don't pay much tax anyway. If you don't believe me look it up. It's also business 101.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I don't see how keeping tax rates low while providing for more unemployment benefits that will increase the government debt by $900 billion a good thing. …
    Most of the money is highly economically stimulative: providing a temporary 2% decrease in the highly regressive 6% individual payroll tax; accelerating depreciation for new business investments, extending unemployment benefits for thirteen additional months, maintaining the middle class and lower middle class tax rates and more. The package has been estimated to lower the unemployment rate from 1 to 1.5%, no mean feat in this economy.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Most of the money is highly economically stimulative: providing a temporary 2% decrease in the highly regressive 6% individual payroll tax; accelerating depreciation for new business investments, extending unemployment benefits for thirteen additional months, maintaining the middle class and lower middle class tax rates and more. The package has been estimated to lower the unemployment rate from 1 to 1.5%, no mean feat in this economy.
    Yes, but it will be at the cost of increasing government debt without increasing taxes in the long term. $900 billion in debt is a ****load of money. How will we pay it back?

    Don't get me wrong - I'm all for compromise. However, I would much prefer it if an additional bracket for income taxes were made in which those who earn $1 million or more pay a higher percentage those making $250k-$1mil, an possibly another bracket for those who earn over $10mil.

    That way, those who really are small business owners won't be lumped in the same bracket with those involved in megacorporations. That issue still hasn't been resolved. And there's an aspect of diminishing returns for those who earn over $1 million, which is why they should be in a separate bracket than those who earn less than $1 million. So why not take advantage of that fact to pay down the government debt and reduce the government deficit?
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    I realize this is a little late, but as far as a search on the topic can reveal, there's been no actual thread on it. Not sure if I should post it here, but C-SPAN seems to fit the description.

    Yesterday, Bernie Sanders, the Senator from Vermont, the only open democratic socialist in the Congress gave an eight and a half hour speech detesting Obama's deal with the Republican leadership to extend the Bush tax cuts for 2 years in exchange for 13 months of unemployment benefits.

    He brings up a variety of issues, including many those who agree with him brought up here. I've enjoyed it very much so far, and I'm only 2.5 hours in. I suggest you all give it a watch, no matter your political beliefs.

    A link to the full 8.5hr speech can be found here
    Now that man has mad oratory skills!
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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Watch the speech. He advocates income tax cuts for 98% of the nation, and increasing the estate tax to 55% for 0.33% of the population. He says it was a ridiculous compromise, and I agree...
    Problem is that by the time they get done filibustering this latest bill, draw up a new one, debate on it, pass it through congress, then get it debated on again in the Senate, then maybe get it to the President and he signs it, it will already be next year. Which means it will be too late for people like me. Which means he is screwing the poor and middle class by all this dithering.

    So no, I'm not going to sit and listen to him for 8.5 hours while he's screwing us over.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yes, but it will be at the cost of increasing government debt without increasing taxes in the long term. $900 billion in debt is a ****load of money. How will we pay it back? …
    Well all the provisions are temporary which limits the long term impact on the debt. But, more important is getting agreement about the all-important stimulus for this anemic economy. The president has lined up the Republican support, he needs just enough Democratic support to get this to his desk.

    Thereafter, I think it's clear there will be significant taxation reform upcoming in this new Congress. It may take another cycle before it's done, but, it's clear that a large scale budget reform program needs to be implemented.
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