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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    I never attack the person only the group. And yes I believe liberalism has caused this coutry to be weak. If they are not bashing it then its telling everyone how much we are wrong when this country has done a hell of a lot more good than bad. But to a liberal its the other way around. I am American first over any political party or belief. Too bad I cannot say the same about liberals.
    Then by all means explain to everyone here the virtues of Richard Nixon and his staff breaking into the offices of the Democratic National Convention. Or how justified it was for Woodrow Wilson to use the U.S. military to support dictatorships in Latin America. Or how great Andrew Jackson was in relocating Native Americans to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears in an act that, if done today, would be considered genocide.

    Just because one group or another has criticism for their country does not mean they are unpatriotic or want to make it weak. No country is beyond the scrutiny of criticism. And any step to reduce criticism of a government is one step closer to making that government a tyrannical dictatorship.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    How old are you? Seriously, every one of your post you either call someone an idiot or tell someone to shut up or say something that is shockingly immature for someone who supposedly was a leader in our military? You are unable to have an intelligent debate without making things personal and throwing around insults. I'll bet you wont last here long before you get banned.
    You call someone out for taking things personal...yet you do the same? And why are you waving around the "ban hammer" when you haven't even reached 1000...no 100...no 50 posts yet? You don't seem to know how anything works here, you've broken one rule already that could get you banned, depending on how many infractions you have.
    You're wrong. Paying people to box is not related to any combat role. The boxing team does not disband in times of war and there are guys who have seen no combat in Iraq or Afghanistan because they are simply boxing. Just because they keep their MOS doesn't mean jack. Our tax dollars go to paying guys to play a sport rather than serving our country.
    HHAHAHA OH WOW! dayum. What do you say to that?!?! :O

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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    Been there and done that kid. Except when I was serving I was actually doing my job instead of playing on the computer all day. My tax dollars are paying your salary. If you have free time, go run or go to the range, or study military history instead debating politics. As a soldier your job isn't to be a pseudo-politician, its to serve whatever government and president is in place. When you retire then you'll have the luxury of doing that.
    Hahaha, what is your MOS?

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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    How is paying soldiers to box related to a combat mission?
    you could make the same argument about the JAG corps.



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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Hahaha, what is your MOS?
    U.S. Army Military Police. 709th Military Police Bn. MOS 95B10 "66-68"

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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    … He doesn't need 60 votes, he only needs to stop the bill getting 60 votes. …
    As you say, mustering forty-one votes does indeed prevent passage of the president's tax cut/stimulus plan but in doing so Sanders and those forty other Senators would be assuring that the unemployed don't have their benefits extended and that the middle class see there tax withholding go up immediately in January; the lowest income tax bracket would go from 10% to 15%, a fifty percent increase! The impact on the weakened economy would be immediate and profoundly negative.

    That's an achievement that I don't think is admirable politically or morally. Indeed it is pure political obstinateness; something I trade in myself from time to time. Let's not have the Democrats so quickly assume the role of “the Party of No.” Let's recognize that indeed this compromise has a lot of good in it and move forward from there.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    As you say, mustering forty-one votes does indeed prevent passage of the president's tax cut/stimulus plan but in doing so Sanders and those forty other Senators would be assuring that the unemployed don't have their benefits extended and that the middle class see there tax withholding go up immediately in January; the lowest income tax bracket would go from 10% to 15%, a fifty percent increase! The impact on the weakened economy would be immediate and profoundly negative.

    That's an achievement that I don't think is admirable politically or morally. Indeed it is pure political obstinateness; something I trade in myself from time to time. Let's not have the Democrats so quickly assume the role of “the Party of No.” Let's recognize that indeed this compromise has a lot of good in it and move forward from there.
    There's no point in compromise when it's such a bad compromise.

    Rather, let's have both sides come to a good compromise.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    I'm not socialist, but do the people who are bashing it realize that principle-wise it isn't how Stalin and other executed it? Socialism has a negative connotation for no reason. If it is executed the way it's meant to be and the results suck then you can bash it.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    There's no point in compromise when it's such a bad compromise.

    Rather, let's have both sides come to a good compromise.
    The Democrats had two votes in the Senate; one for renewing the tax cuts for those with incomes less than 250K and another for incomes less than a million. Both failed to garner sufficient support — indeed five members of the Democratic caucus crossed over and voted with the Republicans against the plans. Also failed earlier in the week was a bill extending unemployment insurance for another year; millions would be impacted without passage.

    The President and the Republicans have worked out a compromise, one that is quite beneficial to Democratic and Republican priorities. The real losers in this compromise I would say are the deficit hawks. But when the economy is so atrocious, they should lose.
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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    They should take the entire speech by Senator Sanders, digest it to thirty or forty minutes of high spots and find a way to get copies to schools all over America. it should be shown in Social Studies classes and taught to all of our children. Senator Sanders is a truly great and patriotic American who stands tall and proudly against the right wing efforts to destroy this nation by destroying the American middle class.
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