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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by KeeKee View Post
    Oh so true, How dare an AMERICAN want to be more than a third world worker.

    How dare an AMERICAN fight for the right to make a living wage so they can send their kid to college or take them to Disney or even out to a decent resturant.

    They should strive to become like the third world worker. They should be happy that companies in those countries provide a room in the back or basement of the building for kids to sleep in after 12-16 or more hours of working, why would they need to go to school, they have a job already.

    AMERICANS should strive to not work for a wage that would allow them to save to act on and get patents fot innovations they come up with, just tell the big boss your idea, he/she has the money and can get the patents, create the jobs and collect the money the innovation would make.

    Yes AMERICANS should just get over the AMERICAN dreams they think this country was founded on, America would be so much better off as a third world nation.
    /scarcasm.
    brave words but sadly the globalization of the American economy is going to bitch slap those who think we can pay someone 78,000 a year to work on a factory line when some equally skilled guy in India or Thailand will do the same job for 15,000 a year.



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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    What does "Disney" have to do with a "living wage"?
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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    With our unemployment rate, taxes shouldn't be raised on anyone. We need all the jobs we can get.
    I wish it were that simple. But we'll lose even more jobs in the long run if we don't balance the budget, and we cannot do that without rescinding the tax cut for the wealthy, or cutting spending.

    So you've got a choice of one of four options to fix our economy in the long run: cut social security, medicare and/or defense, or return taxes to the rate they were before Bush. I don't think any of the first three are likely to happen.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by KeeKee View Post
    Oh so true, How dare an AMERICAN want to be more than a third world worker.

    How dare an AMERICAN fight for the right to make a living wage so they can send their kid to college or take them to Disney or even out to a decent resturant.

    They should strive to become like the third world worker. They should be happy that companies in those countries provide a room in the back or basement of the building for kids to sleep in after 12-16 or more hours of working, why would they need to go to school, they have a job already.

    AMERICANS should strive to not work for a wage that would allow them to save to act on and get patents fot innovations they come up with, just tell the big boss your idea, he/she has the money and can get the patents, create the jobs and collect the money the innovation would make.

    Yes AMERICANS should just get over the AMERICAN dreams they think this country was founded on, America would be so much better off as a third world nation.
    /scarcasm.
    Yes how dare an American Union worker become so lazy that a kid in a sweat shop can work circles around them.

    Yes how dare the Unions demand a wage that's higher than any other job in the same field that is non union.

    Yes how dare the Unions strong-arm, whichs borders on fascism, any American worker than will not join their union.

    Yes how dare the Union put out a sub standard product that the Asian car market out sells American cars because the craftsmanship is lousy out of the Union shops.

    Yes how dare the Union be involved in crime and corruption.

    Yes how dare the Union take money from all their Union members then support a political party against the paying Union members wishes.

    Yes how dare Union thugs beating on elderly and handicapped people at Town Halls.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Technically it wasn't really a filibuster because there was no bill awaiting a vote in that session, but it doesn't really matter, he sure showed the Republicans and Democrats in Congress how a real filibuster is done, none of this chickens*** they've been doing for the past decade. The longest I've ever argued is 6 hours; two 3 hour finals exams in a row; Religion and English, and that was NOT easy. Standing up and speaking practically non-stop from 10:30am to 7pm (with two 10 minute breaks, although he still stood right there when two other Senators spoke), without any sort of toilet, lunch or dinner breaks. Furthermore, I was 17, and sitting down, he is 70 and standing up.

    I have watched all 8.5 hours. He was somewhat repetitive towards the end, where there was a half hour summary (although it was arguably required, given that he covered so many points). It was a comprehensive critique of not only the Bush tax cuts, but Congressional economic policy in general. Even if you don't agree with him it's still worth a look.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    I would rather **** football size turds than listen to some communist asshole whine and cry why he isnt getting his way. BOO FRICKING HOO.
    That's your choice. I also like how you don't bother to distinguish between Communist (implying communism as it was implemented in the 20th century), and democratic socialism. Very nice indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by harmarket
    I am proud to have a fine American like Bernie Sanders in the United States Senate. Watching and listening to him stand up for the middle class and stand up to the sycophants and toadies of the upper class was courageous and a source of inspiration to keep up the fight against wealth and privilege from taking over even more of American society. There are times when I look at the Rand Paul types, the Sarah Palin types and the Mitch McConnells of this land and I feel it is all going down hill fast and they are greasing the tracks.

    A big THANK YOU to Senator Sanders, one truly great American.
    Totally, he's brilliant. Sarah Palin doesn't actually serve in any branch of government, she's more of a conservative Al Gore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx
    I caught parts of it a couple times. Both times he was talking about the top 400 richest people in the US.
    He should have been talking about the lower bracket of millionaires and small manufacturers who will be hit with a tax increase.
    You know, the ones who hire and fire people depending on the economy and taxes.
    With our unemployment rate, taxes shouldn't be raised on anyone. We need all the jobs we can get.
    He talked about the top 400 people for a little while. He mainly used them as an example of how income inequality is increasing, not of why rich people are evil and don't deserve tax cuts.

    He also brought up the point that the millionaires and billionaires can create as much supply as they want, but if the middle/lower classes can't afford the products it won't be economically viable and they'll just accumulate wealth. This was his response to the claim that "millionaires and billionaires will be taxed, and they create jobs, and thus taxing them 4.6% extra will destroy employment". Agree or disagree, he did respond to it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx
    Ain't socialism great? I'm so proud we have them legislating for us. I was getting pretty damn sick of living in a free country.
    The government is a collection of individuals, just like a business. We long ago decided that tyrannies in the government are unacceptable, and that we should dismantle this system and create a government where the decisions are made by representatives of the people.

    Corporations are also tyrannies. In fact, they're the most totalitarian institutions in existence, certainly in America. All decisions are made from the top down, by a few elites, with little regard for the human cost, only the financial cost. The eventual dismantling of these corporations, and a restructuring where the workers control the means of production, is ultimately inevitable, and would, in my opinion, be as great a success for freedom as the same process was to governments a few centuries before.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hautey
    You do know that the American military is the perfect example of socialism within a rabidly anti-socialist society right?
    Fascist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n
    Bernie Sanders is the man. There was a part where he talked about wages in the automobile industry depreciating 50% and that the gold standard in manufacturing jobs is no an appalling $14 without unionization. Pathetic. America has no good jobs anymore, multi-nationals take all the jobs to various parts of the world where its more 'competitive'. I want livable wage jobs here in America, now. Viva la Bernie!
    Amen. World income inequality is something that we should work toward dismantling, but at a time when the disparity between the United States, China, Bangladesh, etc is so radical, now is not the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by KeeKee
    I think it is somewhere around the 4-5 hr mark that he talks on how much more the bailed out banks and investment firms have made since their bailouts.

    I left it on one tv so saw bits and pieces of it. Being a CSPAN junkie I usually do though.
    Thanks for the link.
    No problem!

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty
    What the idiots on the left fail to realize is that the majority of the jobs that have gone oversea is because of Unions. Companies dont want to have to listen to a bunch of crybabies that think they are entitled to a job. So they move overseas where the labor is cheap and the people willing to do the job and not bitch and whine everytime they dont feel like working.

    Its a sad state of America when Union workers are worked under the table by some third world country.
    Firstly, I don't think it's in dispute that workers in developing nations make significantly less than American workers. In Bangladesh (as Sanders pointed out), the minimum wage is 22c an hour, here it's $7.25. 1.2 billion people worldwide live on under a dollar a day.

    Now... American workers earn into the tens of thousands of dollars per year. The cost of living here is significantly higher. Real wages have stagnated/declined since the mid 1970s. People are having a hard time to live on two or three jobs in some cases.

    Companies are going overseas because people are willing to work for a significantly smaller wage than the American worker. It's got little to do with strikes/safety standards (although these things do take their toll, obviously). Corporations care about... money. If it's cheaper to use Bangladesh workers then they will. America has to choose... the middle class, or making it harder for corporations to go offshore. I choose the middle class.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy
    I thought the speech as a political act was almost entirely meaningless because it goes nowhere. I respect and admire Bernie Sanders but standing up and speaking for eight plus hours doesn't do anything. Bernie needs to show up with a shorter speech and sixty votes. Lately the speech making is taking too long and he's got at best 53 votes — Bernie can't even muster the whole of the Democratic Senate caucus to his cause. This leads nowhere.
    He doesn't need 60 votes, he only needs to stop the bill getting 60 votes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    Umm yeah...I'm not spending 8.5 hrs (even broken up) listening to someone that is trying to filibuster something that is going to, in essence, raise taxes on me. He might say that he is for the "working class" or what not but that is bull crap. If it was true then he would do all that he could to get something passed now before the current tax cuts expire in 20 days.
    Watch the speech. He advocates income tax cuts for 98% of the nation, and increasing the estate tax to 55% for 0.33% of the population. He says it was a ridiculous compromise, and I agree...

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty
    Yes how dare an American Union worker become so lazy that a kid in a sweat shop can work circles around them.

    Yes how dare the Unions demand a wage that's higher than any other job in the same field that is non union.

    Yes how dare the Unions strong-arm, whichs borders on fascism, any American worker than will not join their union.

    Yes how dare the Union put out a sub standard product that the Asian car market out sells American cars because the craftsmanship is lousy out of the Union shops.

    Yes how dare the Union be involved in crime and corruption.

    Yes how dare the Union take money from all their Union members then support a political party against the paying Union members wishes.

    Yes how dare Union thugs beating on elderly and handicapped people at Town Halls.
    So you do want the American workforce to get a wage like the 3rd world, dramatically furthering the already absurd income inequality? Cool.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    I think it's an example of how extreme the left have become that a person who has always been seen as a fringe leftist is their champion. I really don't see how they can come back from that.

    Had they kicked out the Green party extremists like the GOP did the Birchers there might be a prayer for them, but they didn't and now they are paying the price for it.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthy View Post
    I think it's an example of how extreme the left have become that a person who has always been seen as a fringe leftist is their champion. I really don't see how they can come back from that.

    Had they kicked out the Green party extremists like the GOP did the Birchers there might be a prayer for them, but they didn't and now they are paying the price for it.
    It's an example of how extreme the right has become that a program that's been supported by Republican presidents for the past 40 years when unemployment goes above 7.2% is considered a compromise.

    The Democrats are doing the exact opposite of what their base wants, and a fairly large segment of the American population at large.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I'm glad you brought that up. I'm damn sick of the military fighting for my freedoms that I'm sick of anyway.
    Actually its called Operation Iraqi Freedom. I can't even remember the last time the U.S. military fought a war where our freedom was actually at steak. Your tax dollars go to helping foreigners become free, then to helping feed, shelter and educate those foreigners that we set free. And ironically, conservatives have no problem with this, they just don't want to help feed, shelter and educate American citizens.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    Actually its called Operation Iraqi Freedom. I can't even remember the last time the U.S. military fought a war where our freedom was actually at steak. Your tax dollars go to helping foreigners become free, then to helping feed, shelter and educate those foreigners that we set free. And ironically, conservatives have no problem with this, they just don't want to help feed, shelter and educate American citizens.
    That's because we fight wars, before our freedom is at stake. If we wait until our freedom is at stake, we end up with another version of WW2, where we lost 400,000 Americans, because we waited until our very freedom was on the line.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bernie Sanders' 8 and a Half Hour Speech in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You do know that the overwhelming majority of the military isn't actually 'fighting' right? It's behind a desk filling out papers? I think you mean 'filling out papers for my freedoms'. However I'm glad you chose to back down from this fight. You're nothing more than a troll anyways. I don't expect you to have any serious commentary on any issues.
    Once again you show your ignorance about the military.

    Every role in the military is in support of combat forces. Just because someone is behind a desk doesnt mean they are not on the front line. Their support is critical to those of us that were fighting on the front lines. The ammo that I fired came from someone sitting behind a desk. Without it there is no fighting for anyone's freedom.

    So if you want to embarrass yourself everytime you made some idiotic comment about something you had no clue about, you should sit down and shut up before a veteran came along to rub your nose in your own BS.

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