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    Re: November Deficit Highest on Record

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    First, because his scenario was hiring for people working in jobs not in their expertise.
    No it wasn't. And even if it were, so what? You generally don't hire someone just because. You hire them because you need work done.

    And because the rational behind hiring him was purely because he took a lower paying job then unemployment.
    That's not what he said.

    And actually companies do interview purely to keep abreast of potential hires, even if they aren't interested in filling positions.
    Not any company I've ever hired for (which includes several very large ones). Accepting resumes and keeping them on file, sure. Interviews, no. Only if actually looking to fill a position. It's a waste of time and resources otherwise. Isn't that your whole beef with the scenario in the first place?


    Firms may create positions merely to grab an excellent candidate even if they don't have work for them at the current date. Call it denial of talent to competitors.
    It can happen, but that wouldn't be what he was talking about.
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    Re: November Deficit Highest on Record

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hiring more personel, is going to bring in more revenue? That's the dumbest **** I've ever heard of.
    Really? Tell me, can you operate a new oil drilling platform with no new staff when your current staff are completely busy? Tell me, if you hire new staff to run the platform which brings in additional revenue, have those staff brought in more revenue? Say, if an auditing firm just got selected for a massive new audit but didn't have the current staff to run the audit and was in real danger of losing that account because of lack of staff, would bringing in new staff to run the audit generate more revenue? During the holidays, if a retailer does not hire new staff and lines back out the door to the point where customers put back their items and leave, has the lack of additional staff cost revenue?

    You certainly do not have any real world experience.
    See above.

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    Re: November Deficit Highest on Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No it wasn't.
    Actually it appears so based on the post.

    And even if it were, so what? You generally don't hire someone just because. You hire them because you need work done.
    Why would you hire someone if they didn't have the expertise in the work you need done? That makes no sense. Furthermore, hiring them purely because they worked for less is ignoring the realities of your cost structure.

    That's not what he said.
    Actually it is. Furthermore, he did not give any other rational.

    Not any company I've ever hired for (which includes several very large ones).
    Whoa. What makes you think they got to you if they had no intention of hiring? If they had no intention of hiring, why bother get the person who actually does the hiring involved? Waste of time.

    Isn't that your whole beef with the scenario in the first place?
    My whole beef is the notion that he'd hire solely because the guy worked for less. That he'd rather hire him then bear the cost of unemployment tax on his business. That makes no sense. Hire this guy and pay all of these costs or pay next to nothing comparatively for unemployment for this guy.

    It can happen, but that wouldn't be what he was talking about.
    Then we have interpreted his post differently.
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    Re: November Deficit Highest on Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No it wasn't. And even if it were, so what? You generally don't hire someone just because. You hire them because you need work done.



    That's not what he said.



    Not any company I've ever hired for (which includes several very large ones). Accepting resumes and keeping them on file, sure. Interviews, no. Only if actually looking to fill a position. It's a waste of time and resources otherwise. Isn't that your whole beef with the scenario in the first place?




    It can happen, but that wouldn't be what he was talking about.
    Amazing, how someone can be so wrong and claim to be so smart is beyond me. How can anyone hire a candidate that has been unemployed for 2-3 years is beyond me especially when you have people out there that are qualified and have taken lower paying jobs to remain off unemployment. Those are the people I want, not the entitlement mentality people who were unemployed but could have worked. We have a lot of book smart street stupid individuals telling others how to manage their businesses when the reality is they have never run a business.

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    Re: November Deficit Highest on Record

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Actually it appears so based on the post.
    This is the entirety of what he said:

    I would hire someone in a heartbeat who took a lower paying job in a tough economy vs. taking unemployment. It is short term, not long term and in the short term tough choices have to be made. Imagine the interview

    “noticed that in last two years you performed tasks outside your area of expertise at a pay level much lower than you were used to getting” Please explain

    “yes, there were no jobs in my field available due to the economy so rather than take unemployment benefits I decided it was more important to work doing anything”

    What do you think the employer would say next?
    He seems to agree with me that he intended this in the regular course of hiring.


    Why would you hire someone if they didn't have the expertise in the work you need done? That makes no sense.
    He never said that's what he'd do. That's what you read into it.


    Furthermore, hiring them purely because they worked for less is ignoring the realities of your cost structure.
    Only if he's following your self-serving construct, which he doesn't appear to me to be doing.

    Why would you assume he meant anything other than the regular course of hiring, especially as he clarified what he was referring to later? That's baggage YOU bring, not he.


    Actually it is. Furthermore, he did not give any other rational.
    Doesn't appear to be -- and if he doesn't, that doesn't give you license to make all kinds of assumptions, which you did.



    Whoa. What makes you think they got to you if they had no intention of hiring? If they had no intention of hiring, why bother get the person who actually does the hiring involved? Waste of time.
    This made me laugh out loud. You must not have much experience with large companies if you think they just randomly interview people without any need expressed by the departments where the jobs would actually be.


    My whole beef is the notion that he'd hire solely because the guy worked for less. That he'd rather hire him then bear the cost of unemployment tax on his business. That makes no sense. Hire this guy and pay all of these costs or pay next to nothing comparatively for unemployment for this guy.
    That's not what he said. You're making things up. He said he'd be willing to hire someone if they showed that they want to work BY not sitting at home and collecting unemployment and instead taking a lower-paying job.

    As I said, given the choice between applicants who would do that and applicants who wouldn't, the hiring choice is obvious. Well, maybe not to you, apparently.


    Then we have interpreted his post differently.
    Yes, and my interpretation was correct. It's pretty much the interpretation anyone with experience in hiring would first come to, anyway.
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    Re: November Deficit Highest on Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Two years later? The recession ended in June 2009 yet every month of 2010 the unemployment was higher and since he signed the stimulus 4 million jobs have been lost. There are over 16 million unemployed Americans so what do you think the deficit would be if those 16+ million were working again and paying their "fair share" in taxes? Obama has done nothing to put people back to work as the numbers show and therein lies the problem. It has nothing to do with Bush.

    I know how badly you want to defend Clinton but you don't have a clue what the tax rates were under Clinton and what the people actually paid in taxes just like you bought the 22 million number which has been shown to be wrong. Liberalism has made a fool out of you and you refuse to accept it.
    The fool.... The. King of the fools, would be anyone who deludes themselves into willfully believing that no job creation under bush and a huge debt is somehow someway better than 18 millio new jobs under Clinton and a surplus.
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    Re: November Deficit Highest on Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    you mean Paris Hilton keeping more of HER money? You don't seem to have as much of a concern as to how tax dollars are spent but instead focus on taking more money from individuals who earned it?

    Over the past few months I have posted the line items out of the Federal Budget and every time I have done that it is ignored by "radicals" who don't want the facts but instead want to promote class warfare.
    Paris Hilton pays a lot of taxes because she spends a lot of money. I am sure she has several residents, flys all around the country and the world and employs a lot of people, who by the way also pay taxes, etc., However, she probably doesn't pay a lot of income tax because she has a lot of wealth that is not considered income. It is just accumulated wealth. Paris is doing her part. She is not sitting around counting her money, she is spending it. We will never be able to pay off our debt with taxes alone. We need spending cuts first then come to us with tax proposals. The government must first show us that it can cut spending. Until they set an example for us they should shut the hell up about raising taxes. Show us that our money is not just going to prop up your political career by buying off your constituents.

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    Re: November Deficit Highest on Record

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The fool.... The. King of the fools, would be anyone who deludes themselves into willfully believing that no job creation under bush and a huge debt is somehow someway better than 18 millio new jobs under Clinton and a surplus.
    Since that isn't the topic of this thread that isn't what I am saying at ll but don't let that fact get in the way of your Bush bashing. There was no surplus under Clinton according to the official records just like he didn't create 22 million jobs. Not sure where you get your information but it is making you look foolish. Stop buying the liberal rhetoric and actually get the facts.

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    Re: November Deficit Highest on Record

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Since that isn't the topic of this thread that isn't what I am saying at ll but don't let that fact get in the way of your Bush bashing. There was no surplus under Clinton according to the official records just like he didn't create 22 million jobs. Not sure where you get your information but it is making you look foolish. Stop buying the liberal rhetoric and actually get the facts.
    You are the one looking foolish continuing to ignore the massive job creations under Clinton ....18 million by your numbers and leaving a surplus.. Go on, play ideological ostrich and hide from reality pretending the last decade has been better for most Americans.
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    Re: November Deficit Highest on Record

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are the one looking foolish continuing to ignore the massive job creations under Clinton ....18 million by your numbers and leaving a surplus.. Go on, play ideological ostrich and hide from reality pretending the last decade has been better for most Americans.
    Since that isn't the topic of the thread I haven't been ignoring it. I posted the numbers which is an acknowledgement of the job creation. You seem to ignore why that job creation occurred and seem to believe it was due to higher taxes. Couldn't have anything to do with the GOP Take over of Congress, could it? Let me ask a very simple question, did Clinton sign budgets with more or less spending than he proposed?

    As for your claim of a surplus again I ask you to provide non partisan, verifiable facts of that statement. If there was a surplus then that surplus is required to go against the debt and the debt rose each year of the Clinton term. There was no yearly budget surplus under Clinton and you can get the numbers at the U.S. Treasury Department which is the checkbook of the United States.

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