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'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

Of course you think that's what it means.

But, actually, I'm talking about how be violated Army regulations in his crusade against DADT.

Here is a photgraph of Lt. Choi attending a political rally, in uniform. A violation of Army Regulations.

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Another photograph of Lt. Choi egaging in unauthorized political speech. Another violation of Army Regulations.

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And, another of Lt. Choi enagaging in political activities, while in uniform. Again, an illegal act, in accordance with Army Regulations.

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Any officer that doesn't conduct himself IAW with the regulations and laws of the United States military, is a piece of **** and therefore a substandard officer. It doesn't matter which regulation and laws that are being violated.

Those laws are unconstitutional. He has every right to speak out against a bigoted and unfair practice. And calling him a piece of **** for challenging a homophobic policy that got him kicked out of the Army.
I also have a question. About 65 years ago, blacks were not allowed in the US military. If, hypothetically, you couldn't tell that African-Americans were African-Americans by sight, and those laws were still in place, and someone like Lt. Choi was speaking out against these racist regulations, would you call him a piece of **** because he did so while in uniform?
 
In my opinion, "uncomfortable" is just sanitized code for "homophobic". What is there to be "uncomfortable" about?
 
Your time line is all wrong. He was discharged after he came out on Rachel Maddow's show in March 2009. Those rallies were after his discharge.

Well, then there's another charge against: illegally wearing the uniform of a United States officer. He's requested re-enlistment, which is being considered. He has an arrest under his belt, so I think that his re-enlistment should be denied.

Ya see, you don't get to chose which regulations you want to follow and which ones you don't. Anyone who does, doesn't need to be in the service.
 
Those laws are unconstitutional. He has every right to speak out against a bigoted and unfair practice. And calling him a piece of **** for challenging a homophobic policy that got him kicked out of the Army.
I also have a question. About 65 years ago, blacks were not allowed in the US military. If, hypothetically, you couldn't tell that African-Americans were African-Americans by sight, and those laws were still in place, and someone like Lt. Choi was speaking out against these racist regulations, would you call him a piece of **** because he did so while in uniform?

Not as a member of the United States armed forces, he doesn't.
 
Well, then there's another charge against: illegally wearing the uniform of a United States officer. He's requested re-enlistment, which is being considered. He has an arrest under his belt, so I think that his re-enlistment should be denied.

Ya see, you don't get to chose which regulations you want to follow and which ones you don't. Anyone who does, doesn't need to be in the service.

Could you answer my question. Is it really the regulations? Or is it that you just don't like gays?
 
Not as a member of the United States armed forces, he doesn't.

But if he was discharged prior to wearing it while protesting, wouldn't that mean he was no longer a member of the United States armed forces?
 
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Well, then there's another charge against: illegally wearing the uniform of a United States officer. He's requested re-enlistment, which is being considered. He has an arrest under his belt, so I think that his re-enlistment should be denied.

Ya see, you don't get to chose which regulations you want to follow and which ones you don't. Anyone who does, doesn't need to be in the service.

You can't wear the uniform after you get out?

Don't get me wrong, I'm opposed to wearing even after they retire to any political function, but I mean for retiree balls and such.
 
Evidence?

This guy:

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Since according to Critical Thought there are only an estimate of 66,000 gay or lesbian service members I continue to wonder why people like you and others not in the military are so passionate on this issue. If it is repealed are you going to join?

There is no question that you can always find exceptions to almost every rule or situation so what exactly is your point. You believe that by posting one case that strengthens your position?

This really is a frustrating thread in that nothing I say is going to change your mind or vice versa. We have an all volunteer military and a low that has been on the books for 17 years. Now all of a sudden such passion again but mostly by people who I don't believe are serving or have served.

I know you don't agree with DADT and want gays to serve openly, the question is why such passion over this issue and why not just let the military and Congress decide?
 
It's not working for those who can't be themselves and talk about the ones they love.

and I understand and sympathyze with that.
Just like I sypathyze with a lot of things that dont have the answer you are looking for.

no one is saying you cant be gay and serve in the military.
no one is saying you cant talk about the ones you love to fellow soldiers, but you should be choosy with whom you speak to, and how far you want to take it.

I think my point is furthered by this ridiculous picture of Captain "look at me" with the tape on his mouth, in uniform.
theres a limit to everything, unfortunatly,

because as you see by the pictures, when pushed most "openly proud" gays will react in a way unbecoming of a soldier.
It's their passive nature.
 
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Is it legal for a civilian to impersonate a commissioned officer of the United States Army? It's a felony. Right?

At this point, you are just evading the question. Is your problem with it just the rules, or is it homophobia?
 
If a female soldier is uncomfortable sharing a shower with male soldiers, is she male-phobic?

If women aren't uncomfortable showering with lesbian soldiers, why should men be with homosexual males?
 
[/b]You can't wear the uniform after you get out?

Don't get me wrong, I'm opposed to wearing even after they retire to any political function, but I mean for retiree balls and such.


If you're honorably discharged, you can. Not under other discharge, however.
 
If women aren't uncomfortable showering with lesbian soldiers, why should men be with homosexual males?


Who says that all straight women aren't uncomfortable showering with lesbians? You'll have a hard time proving that one.
 
Since according to Critical Thought there are only an estimate of 66,000 gay or lesbian service members I continue to wonder why people like you and others not in the military are so passionate on this issue. If it is repealed are you going to join?

I care about what I perceive to be an injustice.

I'm not going to join.

There is no question that you can always find exceptions to almost every rule or situation so what exactly is your point. You believe that by posting one case that strengthens your position?

Prove that this is the exception.

This really is a frustrating thread in that nothing I say is going to change your mind or vice versa. We have an all volunteer military and a low that has been on the books for 17 years. Now all of a sudden such passion again but mostly by people who I don't believe are serving or have served.

Do you have to be married to be against spousal abuse?

I know you don't agree with DADT and want gays to serve openly, the question is why such passion over this issue and why not just let the military and Congress decide?

I've never said that the military and Congress shouldn't be able to make the call. I am just expressing my opinion on what that decision should be. Why are you trying to frame the discussion as anything other than that?
 
Who says that all straight women aren't uncomfortable showering with lesbians? You'll have a hard time proving that one.

Women regularly and repeatedly get pap smears by straight male doctors. A shower with a lesbian is child's play after that.
 
Cause men have sexuality issues.

believe me, it has nothing to do with not wanting to shower with them.

I find the gay soldiers I have been around to be more the type of soldier I want to be in the line of fire with, they are "in general" better people, all around.
and certainly capable.

but there is an uncomfortable air being in a conversation about being gay..

I'm just trying to keep it real here folks, dont crucify me .
 
At this point, you are just evading the question. Is your problem with it just the rules, or is it homophobia?

Here we go. We've gone back to the, "everyone that doesn't see DADT as the root of all evil is a homophobe", argument. How childish.

I'm thinking that you haven't read a word that I've posted. If you had, you would have noticed where I've said, multiple times, that the ban on gays should be lifted and DADT should left in place--at least temporarily.

Now, let me ask you a question: is this really about gays being able to serve without fear of being discharged, or is it just payback to all us homophobes?
 
Who says that all straight women aren't uncomfortable showering with lesbians? You'll have a hard time proving that one.

it's like this: women don't usually much care, because we don't feel threatened by lesbians. at least, i would say the majority of us aren't. so who give a flying **** if they see some tatas?
 
If a female soldier is uncomfortable sharing a shower with male soldiers, is she male-phobic?

Personally, the only reason that I would be uncomfortable sharing a shower with a group of male soldiers is because a) I wouldn't want men that I might find attractive judging me and my body (my own issues with self esteem, I actually am not comfortable showering with anyone I am not intimate with, male or female) and b) I might be on my period. Women might be a bit more understanding of other women on their period during showers than men, since almost all women have a period and no men do.

Guess what, if a woman isn't comfortable showering with women because she doesn't want them judging her, too bad. It is part of the job. If a man is not comfortable showering with men because he doesn't want them judging him, too bad. It is part of the job. In fact, how many really small or really big guys do you think there are that are not comfortable showering with other men because they may get teased? I knew one guy on the ship who was very uncomfortable being naked in front of the other guys because he was well endowed and the other guys talked about it.
 
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