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'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

But how do you know this? Let me ask you, if someone made repeated jokes about homosexuals, would that be harassment?

And they can complain about it now. If they're not inclined to do so, why would they be after DADT is repealed?
 
You wanna bet?

There EO boards are going to be very busy, after DADT is repealed.

Yeah I do. People with who are that thinned skinned don't last long in the military anyway.
 
In my 21 years in the Navy I have seen to many cases where gay men aboard ship after 90 days at sea maded unwanted sexual advances against their straight shipmates......I really don't honestly blame them...For them its like a kid in a candy store..I equate it to myself being on a ship with all beautiful women, dressing, sleeping, showering with them...........I doubt if I could control myself...........Its the same thing for gays no matter how much you deny it it happens......I have seen it...........

And in my 12 years in the Navy, 5 aboard an aircraft carrier with about a dozen openly gay men in my department alone and at least 2 openly gay women, not one case of sexual assault ever occurred aboard where a gay man grabbed,touched, fondled, or in any other way was brought up on charges of sexually harassing or assaulting another man. We also had zero cases of a gay woman sexually harassing or assaulting another woman. That was on the whole ship. We did however, have straight men sexually harassing and even a few assaulting women aboard ship on almost a monthly basis.
 
Well, of course they're not going to complain about it, now. Don't ask, don't tell; remember?

Homosexual jokes and slurs are still considered sexual harassment by the military, even if you're just a straight who has a problem with it.
 
Homosexual jokes and slurs are still considered sexual harassment by the military, even if you're just a straight who has a problem with it.

Really? Military has gotten so soft since I was in....

Be sure to thank me for that IT.
 
Interesting, so would gay service members claim harassment when someone in their barracks tell a gay or dirty joke? I hadn't even considered this possibility before.

Anyone can claim sexual harassment if someone tells any joke even remotely dirty. That is already a part of the sexual harassment policy.
 
It's really not that hard to see the hypocrisy, and blatant discrimination in DADT. If you can not tell me how the activities I described would cause problems, then you really have no basis for this "greater good" argument, especially since, you know there is that scientific study saying that lifting DADT won't cause harm to military readiness. It's not about being PC, it's about treating everyone equally.
Stuff like starting a family, which is encouraged for straight soldiers is prohibited under DADT for LGBT soldiers because it is considered telling.
Where do you get that the military encourages families? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just wondering where you get that from.
 
Really? Military has gotten so soft since I was in....

Be sure to thank me for that IT.

No one actually complains. You just hear about everything you're not allowed to do every couple months at a sexual harassment meeting. Or so I hear from one who whines loudly about it. :lol:
 
Where do you get that the military encourages families? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just wondering where you get that from.

Dude, oh my god, do they ever. It's not something that can be explained, you just have to be part of the military culture. It's very "go forth and multiply" friendly.
 
Yeah I do. People with who are that thinned skinned don't last long in the military anyway.

They're there. You can take that to the bank. Why do you think that every company in the Army has an equal oppurtunity board?

Besides...how the hell do you know who will last long in the service and won't? You're talking like you're some kind expert, something.

I've sat on 5 EO boards and you can't imagine the cry baby mother ****ers that come in there boo-hoo'n, because someone hurt their feelings. 99.99999% of the time, those soldiers were non-white. I never served in a unit with females, but I hear they're the worst.
 
Homosexual jokes and slurs are still considered sexual harassment by the military, even if you're just a straight who has a problem with it.

Yes, I'm already aware of that. Had a dude come cry-baby'n to the EO board one time, because someone called him a faggot and it was a big deal, because his brother was gay.
 
No one actually complains. You just hear about everything you're not allowed to do every couple months at a sexual harassment meeting. Or so I hear from one who whines loudly about it. :lol:

I remember the early days of women on more combat ships, when no one really knew yet what they could and couldn't do, and every one watches so closely what they would say...then some poor kid would slip up without thinking and tell a woman to move that box just a ****hair to the left to get the holes lined up, and then panic. Watching said poor kid turn so red he was purple made the day, and it was the women who told the shop about it after to laugh at him.
 
They can get in trouble for it now. I really don't see that as the biggest hurdle to repealing DADT.
No, maybe not the biggest hurdle, just another one to consider.
 
I remember the early days of women on more combat ships, when no one really knew yet what they could and couldn't do, and every one watches so closely what they would say...then some poor kid would slip up without thinking and tell a woman to move that box just a ****hair to the left to get the holes lined up, and then panic. Watching said poor kid turn so red he was purple made the day, and it was the women who told the shop about it after to laugh at him.

That sailor's luckly he didn't say it to the wrong female.
 
I remember the early days of women on more combat ships, when no one really knew yet what they could and couldn't do, and every one watches so closely what they would say...then some poor kid would slip up without thinking and tell a woman to move that box just a ****hair to the left to get the holes lined up, and then panic. Watching said poor kid turn so red he was purple made the day, and it was the women who told the shop about it after to laugh at him.

Aw! Little military boys are so cute.
 
No, maybe not the biggest hurdle, just another one to consider.

Considering they are currently allowed to complain about dirty jokes or homosexual slurs, I don't see why it needs to be considered.
 
No, maybe not the biggest hurdle, just another one to consider.

Msgt(not sure if you met him here, Kelzie certainly has though...he is a msgt in the Marines currently and a great if aggravating at times guy) and I have had a couple good discussions on DADT, and I think we kinda agreed that there would be certain issues with DADT repeal, more than most liberals want to admit, but far fewer than most opposed to repeal think. It will be like anything else. There will be an awkward period, and then when things start happening(deployments and such) people will forget all about it and just treat each other as squadmates or shipmates or whatever.
 
But how do you know this? Let me ask you, if someone made repeated jokes about homosexuals, would that be harassment?

If someone made repeated jokes about Christians, that would be harassment. If someone made repeated jokes about Indians, that would be harassment. But all these require, first, that the person who is offended actually speak up and say something about it, then if it continues, charges can be filed. (Although, when referring to an actual characteristic, it actually isn't even needed that someone ask a person not to tell such jokes, but that should be common sense.)

We had a girl who ticked off the entire A-school class, including me and the other girl in the class, because she was easily offended and wouldn't let the instructors tell any joke that was harsher than "What did the snail say when he rode on the turtle? Weee!" (We ended up having an entire hour of classroom time that was donated to dirty jokes when she had an appointment with the dentist.) And I am being serious. This girl was made fun of a lot behind her back because of her attitude.
 
That sailor's luckly he didn't say it to the wrong female.

Well yeah, but the reality is, most females are the right female for that. Most women realize that guys are going to say some things. Women do know when to tune out.
 
Well, of course they're not going to complain about it, now. Don't ask, don't tell; remember?

Um, anyone can complain about jokes that they find offensive. In fact, a person doesn't even have to be gay to complain about such jokes.
 
Msgt(not sure if you met him here, Kelzie certainly has though...he is a msgt in the Marines currently and a great if aggravating at times guy) and I have had a couple good discussions on DADT, and I think we kinda agreed that there would be certain issues with DADT repeal, more than most liberals want to admit, but far fewer than most opposed to repeal think. It will be like anything else. There will be an awkward period, and then when things start happening(deployments and such) people will forget all about it and just treat each other as squadmates or shipmates or whatever.

Great if aggravating is how I would describe him too. :mrgreen: He also snores and horribly overcooks scrambled eggs, but I wouldn't expect you to know that.
 
Well yeah, but the reality is, most females are the right female for that. Most women realize that guys are going to say some things. Women do know when to tune out.

That would be when a guy's mouth opens.

Snap!
 
Note the award under my name on the left here. See where it lists my 6 years of naval service. I have lived in as close a quarters as you can get, and I can state without question that gays can both handle that environment and be people can handle being around gays in that environment.
I totally respect your service, Redress. I just don't think you can really speak for everybody who is serving. Again, gay people are not barred from service. I remember when they were.
 
I totally respect your service, Redress. I just don't think you can really speak for everybody who is serving. Again, gay people are not barred from service. I remember when they were.

It's not an official ban, but it is a de facto ban of LGBT Americans.
 
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